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		<title>By: The great debate &#124; The Newbie Shooter</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27853</link>
		<dc:creator>The great debate &#124; The Newbie Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Bonnie have posted a podcast from their weekly internet radio show on the Mike Vanderboegh kerffullfle [...]</description>
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		<title>By: About last night . . . &#171; Armed and Free</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27781</link>
		<dc:creator>About last night . . . &#171; Armed and Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] front burner, and provoked us to dig in our heels. It&#8217;s &#8220;gun rights advocates&#8221; volunteering to shoot us, who make us all the more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] front burner, and provoked us to dig in our heels. It&#8217;s &#8220;gun rights advocates&#8221; volunteering to shoot us, who make us all the more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gonna be on the radio &#171; Armed and Free</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27660</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonna be on the radio &#171; Armed and Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written by Mike Vanderboegh, which I discussed here and here, and many other bloggers, including Sebastian, have also discussed (vastly less approvingly than I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pro 2A? Maybe. Pro 1A? Mmm, not so much &#171; Thus I have Spoken</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27111</link>
		<dc:creator>Pro 2A? Maybe. Pro 1A? Mmm, not so much &#171; Thus I have Spoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there is Sebastian Who started his blog to impress Bitter&#8230; Says he is 30 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27088</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it Billy.  My patience is at an end.  You&#039;re done.  In fact, this thread is done.  I&#039;m tired of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it Billy.  My patience is at an end.  You&#8217;re done.  In fact, this thread is done.  I&#8217;m tired of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Good</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27087</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless, of course, &quot;slowly&quot; was all you had to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless, of course, &#8220;slowly&#8221; was all you had to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Good</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27086</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian: you didn&#039;t address the &quot;&lt;em&gt;and include examples of how well they work when people with guns come no-knockin’ to my or your door&lt;/em&gt;&quot; part...

Not that I&#039;m surprised; that&#039;d be a tough job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian: you didn&#8217;t address the &#8220;<em>and include examples of how well they work when people with guns come no-knockin’ to my or your door</em>&#8221; part&#8230;</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m surprised; that&#8217;d be a tough job.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27084</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&#039;&#039;...when you have to live in a society with other people who might not agree with you.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Bloody &lt;i&gt;Christ&lt;/i&gt;, I have days when I think that if I see that &quot;disagree&quot; horseshit one more time, &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; going to start shooting &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; you bastards, myself.  &lt;i&gt;None of this is about mere &#039;disagreement&#039;.&lt;/i&gt;  That would imply that there is something &lt;i&gt;morally tolerable&lt;/i&gt; in the actions of the state which incite these discussions, &lt;i&gt;and there simply isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;.  If you want to call the difference between &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; a &quot;disagreement&quot;, then you can go right ahead, but you should know that you&#039;re wearing a bib at the adults&#039; table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221;&#8230;when you have to live in a society with other people who might not agree with you.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Bloody <i>Christ</i>, I have days when I think that if I see that &#8220;disagree&#8221; horseshit one more time, <i>I&#8217;m</i> going to start shooting <i>all</i> you bastards, myself.  <i>None of this is about mere &#8216;disagreement&#8217;.</i>  That would imply that there is something <i>morally tolerable</i> in the actions of the state which incite these discussions, <i>and there simply isn&#8217;t</i>.  If you want to call the difference between <i>right</i> and <i>wrong</i> a &#8220;disagreement&#8221;, then you can go right ahead, but you should know that you&#8217;re wearing a bib at the adults&#8217; table.</p>
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		<title>By: waypasthadenough</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27082</link>
		<dc:creator>waypasthadenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many posters are really &quot;Liberal&quot; freaks, govt. Nazis, or other assorted lowlifes who are just trying to sidetrack the argument? 

How did we get from talking about appropriate action to take in case of a wtshtf scenario to &#039;any law they don&#039;t agree with?&#039; 

No sebastian, I&#039;m not calling you a &quot;Liberal&quot; freak. There&#039;s not enough proof yet. But then I haven’t read all these posts either. 

There are also &#039;conservative&#039; idiots who think we will be OK to just &#039;comply&#039; when we&#039;re told to &#039;register&#039; or &#039;turn them in.&#039; 

No! HELL NO! 

But then GCA 68 which sends those pink forms to the BATF Nazi lowlife scum(it’s not name-calling when it’s the truth) when a gun shop closes is de-facto registration. The scum who wrote and voted for and supported that legislation should be hunted down, tried for treason and executed. The dead ones should be dug up from their graves and hung. 

Why do so many allegedly Liberty minded people freak out over this topic? The Founders used the &#039;system&#039; such as it was until they had no other choice but to start killing government employees. We face the same situation, just different times and different names for the issues. Why is that so difficult for so many to grasp? 

Though there are days when I wish I&#039;d never uttered a &#039;public&#039; word and was on no lists of any kind. Then maybe I could occasionally take a &#039;hunting&#039; trip. &quot;Activists&quot; of a certain sort who didn&#039;t let their pride or their anger get in their way could be very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many posters are really &#8220;Liberal&#8221; freaks, govt. Nazis, or other assorted lowlifes who are just trying to sidetrack the argument? </p>
<p>How did we get from talking about appropriate action to take in case of a wtshtf scenario to &#8216;any law they don&#8217;t agree with?&#8217; </p>
<p>No sebastian, I&#8217;m not calling you a &#8220;Liberal&#8221; freak. There&#8217;s not enough proof yet. But then I haven’t read all these posts either. </p>
<p>There are also &#8216;conservative&#8217; idiots who think we will be OK to just &#8216;comply&#8217; when we&#8217;re told to &#8216;register&#8217; or &#8216;turn them in.&#8217; </p>
<p>No! HELL NO! </p>
<p>But then GCA 68 which sends those pink forms to the BATF Nazi lowlife scum(it’s not name-calling when it’s the truth) when a gun shop closes is de-facto registration. The scum who wrote and voted for and supported that legislation should be hunted down, tried for treason and executed. The dead ones should be dug up from their graves and hung. </p>
<p>Why do so many allegedly Liberty minded people freak out over this topic? The Founders used the &#8216;system&#8217; such as it was until they had no other choice but to start killing government employees. We face the same situation, just different times and different names for the issues. Why is that so difficult for so many to grasp? </p>
<p>Though there are days when I wish I&#8217;d never uttered a &#8216;public&#8217; word and was on no lists of any kind. Then maybe I could occasionally take a &#8216;hunting&#8217; trip. &#8220;Activists&#8221; of a certain sort who didn&#8217;t let their pride or their anger get in their way could be very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/07/23/could-we-please/#comment-27080</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a Congress, courts, 50 state legislatures, town councils, etc.  Affecting change through those means is slow, but it does often work.  You may not get everything you want, but that&#039;s the breaks when you have to live in a society with other people who might not agree with you.  If people felt free to shoot any police officer coming to enforce any law they don&#039;t agree with, that&#039;s not justice, it&#039;s anarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a Congress, courts, 50 state legislatures, town councils, etc.  Affecting change through those means is slow, but it does often work.  You may not get everything you want, but that&#8217;s the breaks when you have to live in a society with other people who might not agree with you.  If people felt free to shoot any police officer coming to enforce any law they don&#8217;t agree with, that&#8217;s not justice, it&#8217;s anarchy.</p>
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