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Blaming Pennsylvania Again

In the Trentonian yesterday: “Jersey gun problem PA’s fault”:

New Jersey’s biggest obstacle to controlling gun-related crimes could be the state of Pennsylvania, according to federal data analyzed by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

The vast majority of gun crimes committed in Jersey involve guns that were sold from another state, and most of those recovered firearms came from the Keystone State in 2007.

This data, compiled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, show that only 27.9 percent of crime guns recovered last year in New Jersey came from Garden State dealers. Of the 1,467 out-of-state crime guns seized by law-enforcement agencies in Jersey last year, most of them (285) originated from Pennsy gun dealers.

Of course, what they don’t mention is that most gun shops in New Jersey have closed down due to the opporessive gun regulations in that state.  The shooting and hunting culture in that state has all but been completely extinguished by regulations that can land you seven years in prison by stopping at a Dunkin Donuts drivethrough on the way back from the range for a cup of coffee.

They don’t have to make guns illegal if they just make owning them so legally risky that no one bothers, except the criminals.   Now they want to do the same thing to Pennsylvania; to destroy its hunting and shooting culture, and close down thousands of gun shops in the state.   No thanks.   The end result will still be criminals getting guns, they will just smuggle them from somewhere else.

People like Bryan Miller won’t stop until they destroy the second amendment.  They might not destroy it outright, but they can destroy it through attrition.  It happened in New Jersey, and we can’t let it happen here.

7 Responses to “Blaming Pennsylvania Again”

  1. Bruce says:

    The vast majority of gun crimes committed in Jersey involve guns that were sold from another state, and most of those recovered firearms came from the Keystone State in 2007.

    That sounds like the same language they used in Massachusetts when blaming New Hampshire. It’s a roundabout way of saying “New Jersey remains the #1 source state for guns used in crimes in the state. Though guns from the rest of the country account for more than half of them.”

    The numbers could break down thusly and their verbiage would still be correct.

    NJ = source of 45% of crime guns
    PA= 28%
    VA= 16%
    GA=8%
    AL=3%

    Crime guns have to come from SOMEWHERE. Look at a map of the US and ask yourself if it should come as a surprise that “most” crime guns in New Jersey, 0.23% of the US landmass, come from the other 99.77%.

    Fear, meet monger. Monger, fear.

  2. Bruce says:

    Whadda you know?

    Twice as many “crime guns” traced in New Jersey originated in New Jersey, compared to those from Pennsylvania.

    How is this Pennsylvania’s fault?

    Nice spin, assholes.

  3. Bruce says:

    Also, looking at that map I linked there, I’d say the solution is obvious. New Jersey must adopt New Hampshire style gun laws ASAP.

    Funy how the writer of that piece also “forgot” to mention the NJ average “Time-to-Crime” of more than 12 years. Quite the iron pipeline there.

  4. Of the 1,467 out-of-state crime guns seized by law-enforcement agencies in Jersey last year, most of them (285) originated from Pennsy gun dealers.

    Maybe my math is off, but how the hell can 285 be “most of” 1,467? I assume the author meant that PA’s 285 guns constitute the largest single (out-of-state) bloc, but he ought to have said so (at least if the honest dissemination of accurate information was the goal).

  5. Bruce says:

    OK, one more comment.

    Here’s my version, based on the ATF trace data they’re looking at.

    New Hampshire’s biggest obstacle to controlling gun-related crimes could be the state of Massachusetts, according to federal data analyzed by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Massachusetts was the number one source for New Hampshire crime guns traced from out-of-state.

    100% factual.

  6. Bruce says:

    (at least if the honest dissemination of accurate information was the goal)

    DING!!!

  7. Sebastian says:

    These articles I think are meant to guilt non-gun-owning suburbanites into supporting gun control, or at least acquiescing to it. If the gun control people in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, who are all the same people, BTW, want to turn this state, the suburbs of Philadelphia will be the hinge on which the state swings. The Philadelphia metro area represents about 6 million people, or approximately half the state. If they can destroy the suburban gun culture, and there is one, and it’s not exactly small, Pennsylvania will become an anti-gun state.

    The fact of the matter is, the pro-gun movement in Pennsylvania is an utter mess. The only reason we win is because there’s just a very strong pro-gun sentiment ingrained into the state’s culture, pretty much everywhere except Philadelphia, and a few of the wealthy suburbs. We have pro-gun groups in Western PA that do a good job, but not much organization in Eastern, PA. The clubs in the area seem mostly interested in laying low, rather than being out and active in the area’s political culture. It will kill us if Bryan Miller manages to put the squeeze on us in the suburbs, because we just don’t have our shit together. Shooting and gun rights are still popular in the working class Philadelphia suburbs, and even in parts of the city, but that’s changing. Pennsylvania will still be a pro-gun state in 10 years. In 20 years, I wouldn’t make any bets.

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