I don’t have an argument? I think my English is good enough. Somehow you managed to read something in the comment of mine that wasn’t there. Then I explicitly said so in my second post. You missed that too.

“you aren’t equipped to make the judgment.”

But you are equipped to make the judgment on my moral compass? You obviously have such a high moral ground that the lack oxygen is already affecting you.

“And as soon as WW2 was over, Europeans went back to carrying water for Stalin. Europeans took Stalin’s side in the Cold War. Communist parties rose all over Europe, and they’re still there.”

In whose sick and twisted fantasy world did that happen? I’ll grant you that we have a communist party. It has a total of zero representatives in the parliament.

I’ll also grant you that we had to do some political tap dancing living next door to the Soviets. There is also another side to that coin. We had intelligence co-operation with the US. For example, we had some extremely high-tech seismological equipment from the US that was used to collect data from the Soviet nuclear tests and that data was then sent back to the US.

The SVT-40 had a somewhat controversial reputation. It was highly regarded by the enemies (Finns and Germans) and it was a very sought-after war trophy, re-issued to both German and Finnish troops. On the other hand, it was often considered unreliable and over-complicated by the Soviet troops (when comparing with old Mosin-Nagant rifles), but it was more to the poor training and maintenance, than to the rifle itself. Some better trained and educated Soviet troops, such as Sea Infantry (Marines, which always were some kind of elite in the Soviet army) used the SVT-40 with great deal of success.

On the other topic, my understanding was that the Finns were a significant source of surplus SVT rifles. Never fired, only dropped once.

you must have us mistaken for some nationality that did not fight at Suomussalmi or Ilomantsi. the WW2 surplus rifles Finland sold off were mostly Mosins, dropped once by a Russian, fired plenty by the Finns that picked them up.

Trust Stalin more than Churchill? In whose sick and twisted fantasy world did that happen? We knew exactly what Stalin was. We dealt with him because we had no other choice. And as soon as WW2 was over, Europeans went back to carrying water for Stalin. Europeans took Stalin’s side in the Cold War. Communist parties rose all over Europe, and they’re still there. That’s because Europeans rely on their more sophisticated “relative morals” and their vast intellects, which tell them that the only reason Communism hasn’t worked is because nobody has done it the right way.

Yeah, that’s intellectual. Sophisticated, too.

If you had, there would be none of your complaining that we didn’t take care of Stalin. Why didn’t you? Why is it our job to change your diapers?”

Actually, we did the best we could. Our casualties 85 000 dead or missing and 200 000 wounded. The Soviet casualties estimated at 325 000 dead or missing and 650 000 wounded. Considering the size difference of the countries and the armies, that’s pretty good.

You also have no intellectual capacity. None. Of course, some Americans don’t. That’s the problem.

Did I say that it was the Americans’ job to take care of Stalin? No. I just said that the Americans were allied to and gave aid to a country not that much different from Nazi Germany. Had FDR trusted Churchill more than Stalin, things might have gone a bit different. I also said that there are some other campaigns in the US military history that take away any moral high ground you might think you have.

Obviously nobody has the high ground to look down on others, but many still do. Even in this thread. Including me.

Sebastian, I agree.

On the other topic, my understanding was that the Finns were a significant source of surplus SVT rifles. Never fired, only dropped once.

Carpet bombing is terrorism. Funny how none of the diapered Europeans complained about it when it was saving their worthless asses, isn’t it. Then there’s the whining about Stalin, the man Europeans carried water for from the end of WW2 until after he died, and still carry water for. Europeans aren’t pesky. They’re not noticeable enough to be pesky. They’re just irrelevant.

Europeans are like the scrawny little kid at school who cries all the time and won’t take up for himself. Take up for him, then he cries about what a bully you are. Grow up, take responsibility for your own national defense, and be adults for the first time in your lives.

You also have no moral compass. None. Of course, Europeans don’t. That’s the problem.

i don’t know if you’re actually insane, but stating such broadly sweeping and patently silly things as that certainly makes you seem less than entirely balanced.

FWIW, the given name “Jani” sounds distinctly Finnish to my ears. if that’s the case, he(?) could easily retort that we tried to take care of Stalin by ourselves, but it was kindof difficult for a nation of a handful of millions to stave off a nascent regional superpower even back before the crazy dictator got nukes. yeah, that’s where i immigrated from, myself.

Sebastian, you’re quite right that evil is still a concern in our world. that being the case, it’s imprudent hubris of us Americans to imagine we might not, at times, be doing evil in our dealings with the rest of the world — in other words, those pesky Europeans might just have a point.

My point was not to absolve America of anything, but to point out that evil is part of the human condition. Europe is no more exempt from the human condition than any other part of the world. Perhaps our civilization has risen above that now, but I doubt it. We still live in a world with evil, perhaps less than in the last century, but it’s still there, and it will assert itself if not confronted.

You also have no moral compass. None. Of course, Europeans don’t. That’s the problem.

If you had, there would be none of your complaining that we didn’t take care of Stalin. Why didn’t you? Why is it our job to change your diapers?

That’s the problem with Europeans. They’re not adults. They’re children. And that’s why Europe is utterly irrelevant.