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	<title>Comments on: Open Carry Troubles in Wisconsin</title>
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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: Pointman</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-33406</link>
		<dc:creator>Pointman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how a legislative brief would override State Statutes and Supreme Court Testimony by Assistant Attorney General Kassell. I&#039;m also unsure of how carrying a gun can endanger public safety, as guns come with a device called &quot;safety.&quot; Further, since when does the rule of law depend on someone being &quot;afraid&quot; of something. Can I call the police and report &quot;scary looking Jewish boys?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how a legislative brief would override State Statutes and Supreme Court Testimony by Assistant Attorney General Kassell. I&#8217;m also unsure of how carrying a gun can endanger public safety, as guns come with a device called &#8220;safety.&#8221; Further, since when does the rule of law depend on someone being &#8220;afraid&#8221; of something. Can I call the police and report &#8220;scary looking Jewish boys?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-33252</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrying Firearms in Public. Wisconsin law does not specifically prohibit the open carrying
of loaded or unloaded firearms in public, but a person doing so may risk being arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, on the grounds that the display threatens the public peace or safety.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/LRB/pubs/wb/00wb11.pdf

Other wise known as PSH ( Pant S******g Hysteria).  So, while technically legal to carry a firearm in the open you probably will find yourself arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.  Fine example of the Demokratik Peoples Republik of Wisconsin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrying Firearms in Public. Wisconsin law does not specifically prohibit the open carrying<br />
of loaded or unloaded firearms in public, but a person doing so may risk being arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, on the grounds that the display threatens the public peace or safety.<br />
<a href="http://www.legis.state.wi.us/LRB/pubs/wb/00wb11.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.legis.state.wi.us/LRB/pubs/wb/00wb11.pdf</a></p>
<p>Other wise known as PSH ( Pant S******g Hysteria).  So, while technically legal to carry a firearm in the open you probably will find yourself arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.  Fine example of the Demokratik Peoples Republik of Wisconsin.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24848</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but the reason I get pissy about these things is because if you go into these kinds of situations, and don&#039;t know what you&#039;re doing, you can quickly start setting court precedent that screws every other gun owner out there.  Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call you stupid, but there&#039;s a lot at stake when you get into legal trouble involving a gun, so you have to know what you&#039;re doing.  I&#039;m glad you&#039;re lawyered up now, but you had to have that game ready to go from day one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but the reason I get pissy about these things is because if you go into these kinds of situations, and don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re doing, you can quickly start setting court precedent that screws every other gun owner out there.  Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call you stupid, but there&#8217;s a lot at stake when you get into legal trouble involving a gun, so you have to know what you&#8217;re doing.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re lawyered up now, but you had to have that game ready to go from day one.</p>
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		<title>By: Para Bellum</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24847</link>
		<dc:creator>Para Bellum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian who the hell are you to call me stupid.  You dont know what I did or didnt have prepared, you ignorant punk.  Im doing more to further the cause of Open Carry than you ever will so watch who you insult, jerk.  I wont be posting to this or any other forum exept opencarry.org but I dont let insults go unanswered.  If you feel like apoligizing you can do so at the link Pointman put up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian who the hell are you to call me stupid.  You dont know what I did or didnt have prepared, you ignorant punk.  Im doing more to further the cause of Open Carry than you ever will so watch who you insult, jerk.  I wont be posting to this or any other forum exept opencarry.org but I dont let insults go unanswered.  If you feel like apoligizing you can do so at the link Pointman put up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody special</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24410</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody special</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Ohio passed OC law recently.  Now Grandmothers aren&#039;t being robbed and raped by armed criminals.  I believe the crime rate dropped.  I&#039;m not saying human life is worthless, but how can one defend himself (with fists or with bullets) when another law - the right to self defence - is being overlooked?

Call me crazy but all I hear about is victims going to jail for defending against a perpetrator.  If cops can kill and nobody cares, why can&#039;t I hurt somebody who is attacking me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Ohio passed OC law recently.  Now Grandmothers aren&#8217;t being robbed and raped by armed criminals.  I believe the crime rate dropped.  I&#8217;m not saying human life is worthless, but how can one defend himself (with fists or with bullets) when another law &#8211; the right to self defence &#8211; is being overlooked?</p>
<p>Call me crazy but all I hear about is victims going to jail for defending against a perpetrator.  If cops can kill and nobody cares, why can&#8217;t I hurt somebody who is attacking me?</p>
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		<title>By: Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hay guyz let&#8217;s shoot some cops</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24341</link>
		<dc:creator>Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hay guyz let&#8217;s shoot some cops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like this one really, really piss me off - in fact they piss me off so bad that the only comments I&#8217;ve ever [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like this one really, really piss me off &#8211; in fact they piss me off so bad that the only comments I&#8217;ve ever [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pointman</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24338</link>
		<dc:creator>Pointman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Pointman from OpenCarry, where Parabellum (his screen name) first appeared. There is a lot more to the story than what can be shared with the public, but you can get a better understanding here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/10543.html

Carrying a firearm, openly or otherwise,  is not something one should jump into because they have the right to do so. With any right comes responsibility, and also the requirement to understand the associated laws. Unfortunately, my young friend was not prepared adequately for a hostile police encounter, and is learning the law first-hand. Since most &quot;man with a gun&quot; calls in Wisconsin involve the commission of a crime, police reaction can be quite severe. This is just one of many stories that didn&#039;t go as well as it could have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Pointman from OpenCarry, where Parabellum (his screen name) first appeared. There is a lot more to the story than what can be shared with the public, but you can get a better understanding here:<br />
<a href="http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/10543.html" rel="nofollow">http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/10543.html</a></p>
<p>Carrying a firearm, openly or otherwise,  is not something one should jump into because they have the right to do so. With any right comes responsibility, and also the requirement to understand the associated laws. Unfortunately, my young friend was not prepared adequately for a hostile police encounter, and is learning the law first-hand. Since most &#8220;man with a gun&#8221; calls in Wisconsin involve the commission of a crime, police reaction can be quite severe. This is just one of many stories that didn&#8217;t go as well as it could have.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24336</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t win an argument with a cop.  Period.
You win in a courtroom by presenting your arguments in front of a judge.  Preferably with competent legal counsel.
When that happens, the cop better learns the laws he or she is supposed to be upholding and you don&#039;t look like an idiot, which is better for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t win an argument with a cop.  Period.<br />
You win in a courtroom by presenting your arguments in front of a judge.  Preferably with competent legal counsel.<br />
When that happens, the cop better learns the laws he or she is supposed to be upholding and you don&#8217;t look like an idiot, which is better for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahab</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24326</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been my experience that the people who advocate shooting cops have neither the appropriate levels of misguided courage nor illogical convictions to stand by their idiotic words.

OH NO AD HOMINEM, BETTER DISMISS EVERYTHING I SAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been my experience that the people who advocate shooting cops have neither the appropriate levels of misguided courage nor illogical convictions to stand by their idiotic words.</p>
<p>OH NO AD HOMINEM, BETTER DISMISS EVERYTHING I SAY.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/06/05/open-carry-troubles-in-wisconsin/#comment-24322</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please sir, can I have a fair and speedy trial in 6 years and where the judge decided that the jury is only going to advise?

I think we need some (re)education camps for cops.  Remind them just what they&#039;re upholding.

Gun owners, the battered wife of the rights movement...two black eyes since 1934.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please sir, can I have a fair and speedy trial in 6 years and where the judge decided that the jury is only going to advise?</p>
<p>I think we need some (re)education camps for cops.  Remind them just what they&#8217;re upholding.</p>
<p>Gun owners, the battered wife of the rights movement&#8230;two black eyes since 1934.</p>
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