Comments on: Bad Article in Orlando Sun Sentinal http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22345 Sebastian Fri, 02 May 2008 04:23:59 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22345 <i>Sorry for the book. This one was a little too close to home. Literally.</i> No need to apologize. Thanks for sharing your story. Sorry for the book. This one was a little too close to home. Literally.

No need to apologize. Thanks for sharing your story.

]]> By: Phillip http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22337 Phillip Fri, 02 May 2008 02:52:51 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22337 I read this in the Orlando Sentinel yesterday, and I've been fuming ever since. My roommate said she read the article but dismissed it because that reporter is always biased and slants every story he's involved in. And yes, it seems as though everything that was in the story was slanted towards making it harder and much more expensive to get a carry permit. I was recovering from a serious injury when I got mine renewed recently, and the money to get it was hard to come up with. I'd hate to have to pay hundreds of dollars for a course at the same time. In my opinion, the reporter completely missed the boat, as did everyone he quoted. The entire purpose of a FL CCW permit is to make sure that you know the laws involved in carrying, owning, and using a firearm. Proficiency is not addressed anywhere in the laws regarding concealed carry. In fact, FL is one of the more gun-friendly states I've heard of. It has been a right here as far back as I can remember that you can carry a firearm in your car without any permit, or any fear of reprisal. In fact, the FL constitution and laws state that the rights of a person to carry a gun is to be interpreted as liberally as possible. When I renewed my permit, I was assisted by a legal assistant I knew, and her husband, a city police officer. The police here LIKE for people to carry legally. It has a lot to do with the fairly low violent crime rate we have here. The first time I got my CCW in FL, I walked into one of the gunshops in the area and talked to the guy that was doing the testing. I told him I was originally from WV, had grown up with guns, and wanted a legal permit to carry now that I was old enough by FL law. He handed me a pamphlet, had me fill out some paperwork, and said I had to come back at least the next day because I couldn't do it the same day. I got there, I took a written test, we went over my answers, we talked for a few minutes, and I asked him if he needed me to shoot anything. He said, no, but if I wanted to I could. I think their portion for testing was about $30 or so. I got the packet, got everything filled out and sent in, and had my permit back fairly quickly. No one ever questioned how well I could shoot, because that wasn't what it was all about. My permit's never come up during a conversation during a traffic stop. It's been a non-issue. Sorry for the book. This one was a little too close to home. Literally. I read this in the Orlando Sentinel yesterday, and I’ve been fuming ever since. My roommate said she read the article but dismissed it because that reporter is always biased and slants every story he’s involved in. And yes, it seems as though everything that was in the story was slanted towards making it harder and much more expensive to get a carry permit. I was recovering from a serious injury when I got mine renewed recently, and the money to get it was hard to come up with. I’d hate to have to pay hundreds of dollars for a course at the same time.

In my opinion, the reporter completely missed the boat, as did everyone he quoted. The entire purpose of a FL CCW permit is to make sure that you know the laws involved in carrying, owning, and using a firearm. Proficiency is not addressed anywhere in the laws regarding concealed carry. In fact, FL is one of the more gun-friendly states I’ve heard of. It has been a right here as far back as I can remember that you can carry a firearm in your car without any permit, or any fear of reprisal. In fact, the FL constitution and laws state that the rights of a person to carry a gun is to be interpreted as liberally as possible.

When I renewed my permit, I was assisted by a legal assistant I knew, and her husband, a city police officer. The police here LIKE for people to carry legally. It has a lot to do with the fairly low violent crime rate we have here.

The first time I got my CCW in FL, I walked into one of the gunshops in the area and talked to the guy that was doing the testing. I told him I was originally from WV, had grown up with guns, and wanted a legal permit to carry now that I was old enough by FL law. He handed me a pamphlet, had me fill out some paperwork, and said I had to come back at least the next day because I couldn’t do it the same day. I got there, I took a written test, we went over my answers, we talked for a few minutes, and I asked him if he needed me to shoot anything. He said, no, but if I wanted to I could. I think their portion for testing was about $30 or so. I got the packet, got everything filled out and sent in, and had my permit back fairly quickly. No one ever questioned how well I could shoot, because that wasn’t what it was all about. My permit’s never come up during a conversation during a traffic stop. It’s been a non-issue.

Sorry for the book. This one was a little too close to home. Literally.

]]> By: BobG http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22325 BobG Thu, 01 May 2008 22:59:08 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22325 The law aspect isn't that difficult; you can only use lethal force to defend against someone trying to kill or severely injure you. Any other use of it is not allowed by private citizens. That is the area where the LEO has to know all of the different cases where lethal force can be applied when it is not an immediate threat to life. As far as safety training goes, what more is needed than the four rules of firearms safety? The law aspect isn’t that difficult; you can only use lethal force to defend against someone trying to kill or severely injure you. Any other use of it is not allowed by private citizens. That is the area where the LEO has to know all of the different cases where lethal force can be applied when it is not an immediate threat to life.
As far as safety training goes, what more is needed than the four rules of firearms safety?

]]> By: Tom http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22302 Tom Thu, 01 May 2008 16:49:52 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22302 how many people getting a CCW haven't ever shot, or more likely been shooting for a while? Besides reporters and asshats trying to badmouth CCW that is. I'll agree, 3 hours is hardly going to give you training in the ridiculous laws we have, the ever expanding web of crap meant to create more criminals and make more money for the state, but as stated, it's not meant to be all inclusive or else you;d get a law degree at the end of it. how many people getting a CCW haven’t ever shot, or more likely been shooting for a while? Besides reporters and asshats trying to badmouth CCW that is.

I’ll agree, 3 hours is hardly going to give you training in the ridiculous laws we have, the ever expanding web of crap meant to create more criminals and make more money for the state, but as stated, it’s not meant to be all inclusive or else you;d get a law degree at the end of it.

]]> By: BobG http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22300 BobG Thu, 01 May 2008 16:25:36 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22300 Most of the people I know with CCW have been shooting a lot longer than they have had a permit. They also practice more than most police I have known. A private citizen does not need as much training as a LEO. Police are expected to function in situations that a citizen avoids, such as searching deserted buildings, capturing escaping criminals, etc. Most of the people I know with CCW have been shooting a lot longer than they have had a permit. They also practice more than most police I have known.
A private citizen does not need as much training as a LEO. Police are expected to function in situations that a citizen avoids, such as searching deserted buildings, capturing escaping criminals, etc.

]]> By: mostlygenius http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/05/01/bad-article-in-orlando-sun-sentinal/#comment-22298 mostlygenius Thu, 01 May 2008 15:59:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3368#comment-22298 If someone is teaching an NRA course then they have to follow the NRA guidelines. The NRA is well within it's rights to revoke the credentials of any of it's instructors that it doesn't see as measuring up. If Florida actually requires an NRA certified course then the NRA is responsible for the quality control of it's instructors. If someone is teaching an NRA course then they have to follow the NRA guidelines. The NRA is well within it’s rights to revoke the credentials of any of it’s instructors that it doesn’t see as measuring up.

If Florida actually requires an NRA certified course then the NRA is responsible for the quality control of it’s instructors.

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