Comments on: Reasonable Gun Laws in Pennsylvania http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22146 Sebastian Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:39:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22146 What the limits are depend on your theory of the state's police powers. Driving on public roads is something that the courts have decided are within those powers. States have a lot of leeway in regulating behavior. I think the current understanding of police power is too broad, but it would take significant changes in the courts to alter that. What the limits are depend on your theory of the state’s police powers. Driving on public roads is something that the courts have decided are within those powers. States have a lot of leeway in regulating behavior. I think the current understanding of police power is too broad, but it would take significant changes in the courts to alter that.

]]> By: Tom http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22140 Tom Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:07:32 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22140 So he police powers are unlimited? Anything can be made a police power, in apparently the same way congress thinks everything is commerce? The right to own a gun should be subject to a license, or the right to speak, or to pray? Maybe in order to make sure criminals can't hide evidence proving them guilty we can subject them to mandatory review of evidence before they can claim a 5th amendment right? Maybe if they'll make the public "safer"? Also, travel by foot or certain other means is indeed prohibited on roads. I can't walk down to the nearest interstate highway system and just start walking or pulling a cart with my possessions. It's fine that you want to give the government the ability to decide which means of travel, or perhaps which arms, are acceptable without government approval, regulation, and licensing $chemes. I hope you can see the truth of the slippery slope, and hope that we don't find ourselves lumped in with criminals should the supreme court come out with a similar argument in its Heller ruling. A very possible outcome. After all, they're both matters of "public safety" So he police powers are unlimited? Anything can be made a police power, in apparently the same way congress thinks everything is commerce? The right to own a gun should be subject to a license, or the right to speak, or to pray? Maybe in order to make sure criminals can’t hide evidence proving them guilty we can subject them to mandatory review of evidence before they can claim a 5th amendment right? Maybe if they’ll make the public “safer”?

Also, travel by foot or certain other means is indeed prohibited on roads. I can’t walk down to the nearest interstate highway system and just start walking or pulling a cart with my possessions.

It’s fine that you want to give the government the ability to decide which means of travel, or perhaps which arms, are acceptable without government approval, regulation, and licensing $chemes. I hope you can see the truth of the slippery slope, and hope that we don’t find ourselves lumped in with criminals should the supreme court come out with a similar argument in its Heller ruling. A very possible outcome. After all, they’re both matters of “public safety”

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22131 Sebastian Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:03:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22131 <i>I see no authorization in the constitution that grants the government power to regulate travel on publicly financed highways.</i> The federal government doesn't have the power, but state governments can in the exercise of their police powers. I see no authorization in the constitution that grants the government power to regulate travel on publicly financed highways.

The federal government doesn’t have the power, but state governments can in the exercise of their police powers.

]]> By: Tom http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22128 Tom Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:28:39 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22128 the courts ALSO upheld that blacks weren't people. the courts ALSO upheld that blacks weren’t people.

]]> By: rightwingprof http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22127 rightwingprof Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:23:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22127 You can walk on the roads. You have no right to drive a car. The courts have upheld that hundreds of times. Me, I never read the Philly. I read the Trib-Review instead. You can walk on the roads. You have no right to drive a car. The courts have upheld that hundreds of times.

Me, I never read the Philly. I read the Trib-Review instead.

]]> By: Tom http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22123 Tom Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:00:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22123 As for the guns, I think you covered that well enough, but I have to throw a flag on "Driving an automobile on public roads is not a right." I see no authorization in the constitution that grants the government power to regulate travel on publicly financed highways. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Was riding a horse on public roads or trails considered a right? Were people pulled off their horse by thugs demanding to see their government permit to ride it at gunpoint? Did they face a fine or jail time if they didn't have their permit (or as the case may be in less then 1 month, "papers")? The fundamental right to travel, to immigrate or emigrate from state to state within the united States, or locally isn't something I gave them the power to control. To be denied the right to travel when you want, where you want, and by the means you have available is authoritarianism. I can agree that a proficiency test is in order, I can see the benefits of insurance, but it IS a right. As for the guns, I think you covered that well enough, but I have to throw a flag on “Driving an automobile on public roads is not a right.”

I see no authorization in the constitution that grants the government power to regulate travel on publicly financed highways.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Was riding a horse on public roads or trails considered a right? Were people pulled off their horse by thugs demanding to see their government permit to ride it at gunpoint? Did they face a fine or jail time if they didn’t have their permit (or as the case may be in less then 1 month, “papers”)?

The fundamental right to travel, to immigrate or emigrate from state to state within the united States, or locally isn’t something I gave them the power to control. To be denied the right to travel when you want, where you want, and by the means you have available is authoritarianism. I can agree that a proficiency test is in order, I can see the benefits of insurance, but it IS a right.

]]> By: dogboy49 http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22104 dogboy49 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:59:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22104 I quit subscribing to the Inquirer a couple of years ago. They never seemed to be able find the space to print reasonable rebuttals to 2A garbage like the above, no matter how many letters I wrote. I quit subscribing to the Inquirer a couple of years ago. They never seemed to be able find the space to print reasonable rebuttals to 2A garbage like the above, no matter how many letters I wrote.

]]> By: mark http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22100 mark Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:21:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22100 First off, the instant background check is very thourough, and to me, at least, points out the amount of information instantly available via computer to ANY police or government agency, and probably to anyone else if they looked in the right place or paid the right person. Second, persons suspected of crimes but never charged or convicted are called innocent in this country, and still have rights. Third, many more are killed in auto accidents every year than by guns. The writer evidently gets his gun and legal information by watching Law and Order re-runs or something similar. mark First off, the instant background check is very thourough, and to me, at least, points out the amount of information instantly available via computer to ANY police or government agency, and probably to anyone else if they looked in the right place or paid the right person.
Second, persons suspected of crimes but never charged or convicted are called innocent in this country, and still have rights.
Third, many more are killed in auto accidents every year than by guns.

The writer evidently gets his gun and legal information by watching Law and Order re-runs or something similar.
mark

]]> By: rightwingprof http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22075 rightwingprof Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:34:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22075 Who is this bozo, and if he said this on the floor, what did <a href="SamRohrer.com" rel="nofollow">Sam Rohrer</a> say in response? Who is this bozo, and if he said this on the floor, what did Sam Rohrer say in response?

]]> By: Bob S. http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/04/25/reasonable-gun-laws-in-pennsylvania/#comment-22074 Bob S. Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:29:09 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3321#comment-22074 Sir, I have read your blog for quite a while now and would like a little assistance. I've been debating Cliff Lyons at his blog http://oneutah.org/author/clifflyon/ since his post about Alan Korwin. I know I'm not in the same league as a world class fisker as yourself, but I've tried. I think my response to this post http://oneutah.org/2008/04/18/the-verdict-is-in-alan-korwin-told-a-lie-on-c-span-and-refuses-to-admit-it/#comment-109705 is barely adequate but would like to bring it to greater attention. Sorry for the off topic post, please delete it if you desire. Thanks Bob Sir,

I have read your blog for quite a while now and would like a little assistance.
I’ve been debating Cliff Lyons at his blog http://oneutah.org/author/clifflyon/ since his post about Alan Korwin.
I know I’m not in the same league as a world class fisker as yourself, but I’ve tried.
I think my response to this post http://oneutah.org/2008/04/18/the-verdict-is-in-alan-korwin-told-a-lie-on-c-span-and-refuses-to-admit-it/#comment-109705
is barely adequate but would like to bring it to greater attention.

Sorry for the off topic post, please delete it if you desire.

Thanks
Bob

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