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New York Alert

Looks like gun owners in the Empire State are about to get screwed royally.  I guess Assembly members were upset that California and New Jersey got a higher Brady rank than they did.  Look at the margins by which these things pass.  Scary stuff.

15 Responses to “New York Alert”

  1. Joe Huffman says:

    2272 reads like a VPC paper and is just as “factual”. I love the part about banning all shotguns larger than .410s. That should get a few people riled up.

    It still has to pass the Senate and get signed by the governor. I’m not up on the NY gun politics. Will these bigots be able to get it passed into law?

  2. Sebastian says:

    Where does it to talk about banning shotguns?

  3. Sebastian says:

    From the text, I suppose it could ban shotguns with rifled barrels that fire fixed ammunition, but in the text it specifically says center fire rifles over .50 caliber.

  4. Joe Huffman says:

    The NRA-ILA page says: “AB2772 would ban any shotgun larger than a .410.”

    I didn’t read the full text of the bill and I see there where it looks like the NRA (and I) are wrong about it addressing shotguns.

    Sorry about that.

  5. RedneckInNY says:

    It talks about banning firearms larger than .50 cal. which includes most shotguns, muzzleloaders without exception. You know what else come larger than .50 cal.? Flare guns. Yes, that’s right. A flare gun, used in the time of distress (at sea) will be banned as well. Anyone with a boat caught at sea with a flare gun will be arrested and have the boat confiscated.

    I spend 4 hours this past weekend emailing all of my state’s Assembly people and only TWO of them took the time to reply. These bills were defeated last year; I hope they’re defeated again this year.

  6. RedneckInNY says:

    It says several bills (not all) of them passed. I wonder which ones passed.

  7. Jacob says:

    All the bills listed passed the Assembly. The full audio of the proceedings are on our website http://www.nysrpa.org/gcd2008/gcd2008.htm

    A-2772A would ban shotguns as it refers to centerfire cartridges over .50.

  8. Sebastian says:

    Jacob, where does it ban cartridges? This law is pretty poorly drafted, and it’s difficult to follow.

  9. kaveman308 says:

    I like this nugget…

    “PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL: This bill would amend the definition
    of “armor piercing ammunition” to include certain new construction
    materials, and would prohibit the possession of “devastator” and
    “frangible” ammunition which fractures upon impact with a human being.”

    Armor piercing, frangible, it’s all the same evil ju-ju so let’s ban it all.

  10. Jacob says:

    … “50-CALIBER WEAPON” MEANS A RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE
    CARTRIDGE IN 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, .50 BMG CALIBER OR LARGER, ANY OTHER VARIANT OF 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, OR ANY OTHER METRIC EQUIVALENT OF SUCH CALIBER ….

  11. Sebastian says:

    I read that as rifle capable of firing a center fire cartridge in 50-caliber or larger or capable of firing any variation of 50 caliber or larger you can (or can’t) possibly think of, or capable of firing any metric equivalent. Except for muzzle loaders or other firearms that don’t use fixed ammunition.

    It’s very poorly drafted, but it does seem to stipulate rifles.

    Of course, this opens the door for the dreaded “cubit” loophole. It’s not .50 caliber, or 12.7mm, it’s 0.28 cubits!

  12. Jacob says:

    A “shotgun” with a rifled barrel or choke is a “rifle.” A shotgun “shell” is a centerfire cartridge.

  13. Sebastian says:

    Is rifle defined in some other part of New York Law?

  14. Jacob says:

    “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

    “Shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

  15. Alcibiades McZombie says:

    According to my Google-calc-fu, it is actually .028 cubits.

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