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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20887</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jym, I&#039;m aware of the similarities.  I&#039;m sure if you look hard enough, you can find astonishing similarities between certain Judeo-Christian and Aztec beliefs, but that doesn&#039;t prove a relationship.  I&#039;m not saying it didn&#039;t happen in some cases, just that your &quot;proof&quot; is as faith-based as mine.

The term &quot;Easter&quot;  is, as you say, a pagan anglo term.  It is rejected by the eastern Orthodox Church, which was (although you can argue with Catholics about this) the original Church.  When Pascha was first celebrated, the term &quot;Easter&quot; didn&#039;t exist... it was only called Pascha, which is derived from the Greek word for Jewish Passover (since Pascha is seen by the church as the New Testament replacement of the Jewish passover.)  

While I agree that many of the traditions were used as a way to make pagans feel more comfortable with what the Christian church was offering, the pagan-rooted &quot;Easter&quot; traditions followed in the west are rejected by the eastern Orthodox Church.  My point is that the western churches have no problem with pagan roots, while the Orthodox Church has always fought against allowing these facets of paganism into paschal worship.

Oh, and just FYI, &quot;Easter Eggs&quot; come from a tradition involving Mary Magdalene, and have nothing to do with &quot;fertility&quot; as is often assumed, but rather &quot;rebirth&quot;, which is a fundamental concept in the Christian faith.  The occasional correlation of eggs and fertility in western &quot;Easter&quot; celebration comes after-the-fact.

On a completely different note, if I were Sebastian, I would have disabled comments on this post a long time ago.  This is supposed to be a gun blog, not a debate religion!  Why do you allow trouble-making trolls like Jym and me on here anyway?  Heheh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jym, I&#8217;m aware of the similarities.  I&#8217;m sure if you look hard enough, you can find astonishing similarities between certain Judeo-Christian and Aztec beliefs, but that doesn&#8217;t prove a relationship.  I&#8217;m not saying it didn&#8217;t happen in some cases, just that your &#8220;proof&#8221; is as faith-based as mine.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;Easter&#8221;  is, as you say, a pagan anglo term.  It is rejected by the eastern Orthodox Church, which was (although you can argue with Catholics about this) the original Church.  When Pascha was first celebrated, the term &#8220;Easter&#8221; didn&#8217;t exist&#8230; it was only called Pascha, which is derived from the Greek word for Jewish Passover (since Pascha is seen by the church as the New Testament replacement of the Jewish passover.)  </p>
<p>While I agree that many of the traditions were used as a way to make pagans feel more comfortable with what the Christian church was offering, the pagan-rooted &#8220;Easter&#8221; traditions followed in the west are rejected by the eastern Orthodox Church.  My point is that the western churches have no problem with pagan roots, while the Orthodox Church has always fought against allowing these facets of paganism into paschal worship.</p>
<p>Oh, and just FYI, &#8220;Easter Eggs&#8221; come from a tradition involving Mary Magdalene, and have nothing to do with &#8220;fertility&#8221; as is often assumed, but rather &#8220;rebirth&#8221;, which is a fundamental concept in the Christian faith.  The occasional correlation of eggs and fertility in western &#8220;Easter&#8221; celebration comes after-the-fact.</p>
<p>On a completely different note, if I were Sebastian, I would have disabled comments on this post a long time ago.  This is supposed to be a gun blog, not a debate religion!  Why do you allow trouble-making trolls like Jym and me on here anyway?  Heheh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jym</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20846</link>
		<dc:creator>Jym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory, every bit of the Jesus &quot;death and resurrection&quot; myth, as well as every modern Easter tradition, can be directly traced back to pagan traditions which predate or at least coincide with the rise of Christianity.

The name Easter was given to the holiday when its celebration was declared several hundred years after Christ. The celebration was named after the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eostre&lt;/a&gt;. More important that the etymology, though, are the copycat myths and traditions.

During their captivity in Babylonia, the ancient Hebrews probably picked up on the myth of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammuz_%28deity%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tammuz&lt;/a&gt;, who died and was reborn annually. Jesus&#039; descent into hell is reminiscent of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ishtar&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; journey into the underworld. Then there is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Osiris&lt;/a&gt;, the Egyptian god who was judge of the dead and also happened to die and be resurrected. Again, it&#039;s likely that the Hebrews picked up the Osiris story while enslaved in Egypt. I will mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Attis&lt;/a&gt; as well, although the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/attisd.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most incriminating bits&lt;/a&gt; of that legend are up for scholarly debate.

If the Christian god wanted people to take him seriously, why did he make his plan of redemption so similar to the myths of other religions? 

As for the more modern traditions surrounding the celebration of Easter, rabbits and eggs are obvious fertility symbols and the tradition of leaving baskets of candy out for children is probably borrowed from the Celtic tradition of leaving out food for faeries at the equinox, lest they wreak havoc during the coming season (kind of says something about how most people view their kids.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory, every bit of the Jesus &#8220;death and resurrection&#8221; myth, as well as every modern Easter tradition, can be directly traced back to pagan traditions which predate or at least coincide with the rise of Christianity.</p>
<p>The name Easter was given to the holiday when its celebration was declared several hundred years after Christ. The celebration was named after the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre" rel="nofollow">Eostre</a>. More important that the etymology, though, are the copycat myths and traditions.</p>
<p>During their captivity in Babylonia, the ancient Hebrews probably picked up on the myth of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammuz_%28deity%29" rel="nofollow">Tammuz</a>, who died and was reborn annually. Jesus&#8217; descent into hell is reminiscent of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar" rel="nofollow">Ishtar&#8217;s</a> journey into the underworld. Then there is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris" rel="nofollow">Osiris</a>, the Egyptian god who was judge of the dead and also happened to die and be resurrected. Again, it&#8217;s likely that the Hebrews picked up the Osiris story while enslaved in Egypt. I will mention <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attis" rel="nofollow">Attis</a> as well, although the <a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/attisd.htm" rel="nofollow">most incriminating bits</a> of that legend are up for scholarly debate.</p>
<p>If the Christian god wanted people to take him seriously, why did he make his plan of redemption so similar to the myths of other religions? </p>
<p>As for the more modern traditions surrounding the celebration of Easter, rabbits and eggs are obvious fertility symbols and the tradition of leaving baskets of candy out for children is probably borrowed from the Celtic tradition of leaving out food for faeries at the equinox, lest they wreak havoc during the coming season (kind of says something about how most people view their kids.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20813</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jym, as much as I think this thread should probably just end, I just can&#039;t help but mention that your comment &quot;your sacred holiday really is just borrowed from those people you call heathens and pagans&quot; is factually incorrect.  Some of the traditions in the western church may be borrowed from pagans, but the holiday itself has never had anything to do with pagan traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jym, as much as I think this thread should probably just end, I just can&#8217;t help but mention that your comment &#8220;your sacred holiday really is just borrowed from those people you call heathens and pagans&#8221; is factually incorrect.  Some of the traditions in the western church may be borrowed from pagans, but the holiday itself has never had anything to do with pagan traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorcurt</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20807</link>
		<dc:creator>Sailorcurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You say they expressed their annoyance in mild, civil terms.&lt;/i&gt;

You forgot the &quot;if you ask me&quot; part at the end...

That&#039;s called an opinion. You disagree.  Noted.

I&#039;ll try not to lose any sleep over it tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You say they expressed their annoyance in mild, civil terms.</i></p>
<p>You forgot the &#8220;if you ask me&#8221; part at the end&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called an opinion. You disagree.  Noted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try not to lose any sleep over it tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Martyn Lloyd-Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20804</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Martyn Lloyd-Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter--you ought to see women in Baptist churches down South.  It is the majority denomination from the South to the Southwest, and the culture is quite mainstream, even strapless dresses!

And, I have seen miniskirts in Baptist churches down here that kept me very occupied during some dull sermons.

I suppose it&#039;s where you live and what segment of Baptist one is speaking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter&#8211;you ought to see women in Baptist churches down South.  It is the majority denomination from the South to the Southwest, and the culture is quite mainstream, even strapless dresses!</p>
<p>And, I have seen miniskirts in Baptist churches down here that kept me very occupied during some dull sermons.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s where you live and what segment of Baptist one is speaking of.</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20793</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the Easter post.  Really just a wish for people to enjoy the day. What struck me about the post was the realization that a lunar  calender is used and that Easter is always having a full moon. For  someone that has lived awhile I thought this realization was a bit late.


 Easter has a lot of other traditions associated with it.  Ferility rtuals of Britain and other cultures. Early Christians in order to get other cultures to accept Christianity did adopt a lot of local traditions.

 This is not to insult the resurrection of Jesus which Easter celebrates.

But really these contentions about a silly post is ridiculous. I saw no insult in the post so people really need to chill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the Easter post.  Really just a wish for people to enjoy the day. What struck me about the post was the realization that a lunar  calender is used and that Easter is always having a full moon. For  someone that has lived awhile I thought this realization was a bit late.</p>
<p> Easter has a lot of other traditions associated with it.  Ferility rtuals of Britain and other cultures. Early Christians in order to get other cultures to accept Christianity did adopt a lot of local traditions.</p>
<p> This is not to insult the resurrection of Jesus which Easter celebrates.</p>
<p>But really these contentions about a silly post is ridiculous. I saw no insult in the post so people really need to chill.</p>
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		<title>By: RedneckInNY</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20780</link>
		<dc:creator>RedneckInNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Easter is based on a Lunar calendar, then it would positively make it a Chinese holiday, as the Chinese calendar is lunar based.  Damn those Chinese...they got their greasy little yellow hands into everything.  Hahahahahaa!!!  (I can say that because I&#039;m Chinese, or as I like to say, &quot;off-white&quot;)  Hahahahahahahahaaa!!!  

Yes people, DO lighten up.  Maude, better start puttin&#039; starch in them people&#039;s britches when ya washes them so they can&#039;t get them in a twist!!!

:::ducking:::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Easter is based on a Lunar calendar, then it would positively make it a Chinese holiday, as the Chinese calendar is lunar based.  Damn those Chinese&#8230;they got their greasy little yellow hands into everything.  Hahahahahaa!!!  (I can say that because I&#8217;m Chinese, or as I like to say, &#8220;off-white&#8221;)  Hahahahahahahahaaa!!!  </p>
<p>Yes people, DO lighten up.  Maude, better start puttin&#8217; starch in them people&#8217;s britches when ya washes them so they can&#8217;t get them in a twist!!!</p>
<p>:::ducking:::</p>
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		<title>By: Jym</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lysander: Considering I&#039;m using the Flying Spaghetti Monster as ammunition in this debate, I&#039;m not sure how much more light I can get. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lysander: Considering I&#8217;m using the Flying Spaghetti Monster as ammunition in this debate, I&#8217;m not sure how much more light I can get. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jym</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20772</link>
		<dc:creator>Jym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sailorcurt: You say they expressed their annoyance in mild, civil terms.  Clint called Sebastian an enemy of the First Amendment, despite the fact that he nowhere in his post called for any sort of government banning of Easter or anything of the like.  That was pretty much an outright insult.  Rusty called it &quot;stupid.&quot;  Again, pretty much an outright insult.  Sebastian said nothing factually wrong.  Like it or not, your sacred holiday really is just borrowed from those people you call heathens and pagans.  So, I have to ask you, who here is REALLY being the ass when people are getting up in arms about Sebastian just pointing out the factual basis for Easter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailorcurt: You say they expressed their annoyance in mild, civil terms.  Clint called Sebastian an enemy of the First Amendment, despite the fact that he nowhere in his post called for any sort of government banning of Easter or anything of the like.  That was pretty much an outright insult.  Rusty called it &#8220;stupid.&#8221;  Again, pretty much an outright insult.  Sebastian said nothing factually wrong.  Like it or not, your sacred holiday really is just borrowed from those people you call heathens and pagans.  So, I have to ask you, who here is REALLY being the ass when people are getting up in arms about Sebastian just pointing out the factual basis for Easter?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahab</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/23/happy-easter/#comment-20763</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ahab, I have a question: Will there be the riots in heaven like in Boston?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like you said, wouldn&#039;t be New England sports without riots.  I presume that Heaven will have a special &quot;Sox Fans&quot; section.  Interestingly enough, the &quot;Sox Fan&quot; section of Heaven gets double use as Hell for Yankees fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ahab, I have a question: Will there be the riots in heaven like in Boston?</p></blockquote>
<p>Like you said, wouldn&#8217;t be New England sports without riots.  I presume that Heaven will have a special &#8220;Sox Fans&#8221; section.  Interestingly enough, the &#8220;Sox Fan&#8221; section of Heaven gets double use as Hell for Yankees fans.</p>
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