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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Chris,

We all have to stick together.  This is most decidedly an international struggle, especially with people like Ms. Peters running about trying to get away with any restrictions they can think up.

It&#039;s really reassuring to know there are still people in Australia fighting the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Chris,</p>
<p>We all have to stick together.  This is most decidedly an international struggle, especially with people like Ms. Peters running about trying to get away with any restrictions they can think up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really reassuring to know there are still people in Australia fighting the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20531</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But hey, he let MY comment through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But hey, he let MY comment through!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20470</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAN that &#039;verging on random&#039; is an annoying blog.  Why do you bother talking with someone who is obviously a lefty boofhead and incapable of discussion without all those abusive assumptions of paranoid ideas? 

And it loads SO slowly for me.  He is pretty low in the rankings, and I had never heard of him before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAN that &#8216;verging on random&#8217; is an annoying blog.  Why do you bother talking with someone who is obviously a lefty boofhead and incapable of discussion without all those abusive assumptions of paranoid ideas? </p>
<p>And it loads SO slowly for me.  He is pretty low in the rankings, and I had never heard of him before.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20360</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Australian gun rights activist, I could join an extended rant about our laws, but instead would make two points:
1) Our enemies are your enemies too. For a telling photo of Rebecca Peters, see this article about an unreported cause of the Port Arthur Massacre - (not conspiracy-related) http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm

2) Most US RKBA activists misunderestimate Australian gun rights issues.  In particular, they think our laws took away self-defense rights and crime exploded.  

In fact, most indicators for violence were heading down before the laws and continued to do so after at the same rate.  Very few Australians relied on guns for self defense before 1996, and a very tiny number of them have suffered since. Even active shooters do not particularly want to make CCW an issue - we just want the community respect we deserve, and laws based on what works instead of what makes self-righteous spoil-sports happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Australian gun rights activist, I could join an extended rant about our laws, but instead would make two points:<br />
1) Our enemies are your enemies too. For a telling photo of Rebecca Peters, see this article about an unreported cause of the Port Arthur Massacre &#8211; (not conspiracy-related) <a href="http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm</a></p>
<p>2) Most US RKBA activists misunderestimate Australian gun rights issues.  In particular, they think our laws took away self-defense rights and crime exploded.  </p>
<p>In fact, most indicators for violence were heading down before the laws and continued to do so after at the same rate.  Very few Australians relied on guns for self defense before 1996, and a very tiny number of them have suffered since. Even active shooters do not particularly want to make CCW an issue &#8211; we just want the community respect we deserve, and laws based on what works instead of what makes self-righteous spoil-sports happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20315</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Nomen Nescio on March 17th, 2008:
&quot;too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging and Reasoned Discourse(tm).&quot;

We desperately need to develop international good will, diplomacy, and mutual respect.  My fellow Americans, and our friends the Australians - we cannot let this discourse be ruled by extreme or disrespectful rhetoric.   But then again, those that wish to undermine someone else&#039;s national sovereignity, and national constitutional protections, must back off substantially.  We Americans will say, firmly but hopefully politely - NO - to any attempts to disarm us from afar.

But that said, it is my sincere desire that my fellow Americans will be kind, understanding, and respectful of differing views.  I personally don&#039;t support the Austrialian approach to gun control.  But what Australia does is up to the people of that nation.  Likewise, what we do here is up to us.

I for one will not criticize Australia for it&#039;s decisions regarding gun control.  Will I learn from them, and harvest data from them on the efficacy of gun control?  Of course!  This information has already been informative.  But what Australia does is up to the Australians.  We all know that to be true.   But in return, I expect that Australians will respect the United States&#039; domestic policy of constitutionally protected, individual rights of the people to keep and bear arms.  We will fiercely, yet with mature restraint, defend these rights from all those, both domestic and foreign, who attempt to take them away, or make them meaningless.

G&#039;day, Mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Nomen Nescio on March 17th, 2008:<br />
&#8220;too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging and Reasoned Discourse(tm).&#8221;</p>
<p>We desperately need to develop international good will, diplomacy, and mutual respect.  My fellow Americans, and our friends the Australians &#8211; we cannot let this discourse be ruled by extreme or disrespectful rhetoric.   But then again, those that wish to undermine someone else&#8217;s national sovereignity, and national constitutional protections, must back off substantially.  We Americans will say, firmly but hopefully politely &#8211; NO &#8211; to any attempts to disarm us from afar.</p>
<p>But that said, it is my sincere desire that my fellow Americans will be kind, understanding, and respectful of differing views.  I personally don&#8217;t support the Austrialian approach to gun control.  But what Australia does is up to the people of that nation.  Likewise, what we do here is up to us.</p>
<p>I for one will not criticize Australia for it&#8217;s decisions regarding gun control.  Will I learn from them, and harvest data from them on the efficacy of gun control?  Of course!  This information has already been informative.  But what Australia does is up to the Australians.  We all know that to be true.   But in return, I expect that Australians will respect the United States&#8217; domestic policy of constitutionally protected, individual rights of the people to keep and bear arms.  We will fiercely, yet with mature restraint, defend these rights from all those, both domestic and foreign, who attempt to take them away, or make them meaningless.</p>
<p>G&#8217;day, Mates.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20314</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best method is generally to try to trap them in their own logic.  Most reasonable human being accept that people have the right to defend their own lives.  You kind of have to start with that and go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best method is generally to try to trap them in their own logic.  Most reasonable human being accept that people have the right to defend their own lives.  You kind of have to start with that and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20313</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went to the UK for a few months of work.  Everytime I went to a pub they immediately knew a Yank was at the bar ordering a beer (I guess it was my southern accent?)  Introductions and discussions soon followed, and it always got down to the cowboy gun culture we enjoy in the US.  The discussions abruptly ended when I explained the difference between citizens and subjects!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to the UK for a few months of work.  Everytime I went to a pub they immediately knew a Yank was at the bar ordering a beer (I guess it was my southern accent?)  Introductions and discussions soon followed, and it always got down to the cowboy gun culture we enjoy in the US.  The discussions abruptly ended when I explained the difference between citizens and subjects!</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20312</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Frankly, it’s my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Reasoned Discourse(tm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Frankly, it’s my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.</p></blockquote>
<p>too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging <i>and</i> Reasoned Discourse(tm).</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... I actually took some Aussies shooting once and they had a blast.  My friend Jason brought out his machine pistol too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I actually took some Aussies shooting once and they had a blast.  My friend Jason brought out his machine pistol too.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently it can&#039;t get any more stupid in Australia.  A person from there recently told me that the police carry guns but are not allowed to take them home from the police station.  They pick them up at the station, wear them on duty, but must leave them at the station when they go home.

Heard this from on person who said it was first hand knowledge, but if anyone knows different please correct me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently it can&#8217;t get any more stupid in Australia.  A person from there recently told me that the police carry guns but are not allowed to take them home from the police station.  They pick them up at the station, wear them on duty, but must leave them at the station when they go home.</p>
<p>Heard this from on person who said it was first hand knowledge, but if anyone knows different please correct me.</p>
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