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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19571</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended two universities as a resident student and possessed firearms at both.  I matriculated at others, but did not reside there. Nor did I actually carry at any of them.   However, I can&#039;t remember any regulations proscribing firearms at either.  It just wasn&#039;t done in an America that valued the sacrifices of those who kept it free.  Times have changed.

Hell. I don&#039;t carry now.  But I don&#039;t want my right to do so to be negated by accom0daters who would rather get along than be right.

In the interest of full disclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended two universities as a resident student and possessed firearms at both.  I matriculated at others, but did not reside there. Nor did I actually carry at any of them.   However, I can&#8217;t remember any regulations proscribing firearms at either.  It just wasn&#8217;t done in an America that valued the sacrifices of those who kept it free.  Times have changed.</p>
<p>Hell. I don&#8217;t carry now.  But I don&#8217;t want my right to do so to be negated by accom0daters who would rather get along than be right.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19570</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Ian, I didn&#039;t find anything you wrote to be in error. Some of it was off at a tangent but still accurate.

&quot;We’re not living in a black-and-white world; and an open-carried weapon does deserve a second look, as part of any rational person’s situational awareness.&quot; Ian Argent.

Absolutely, I said that.   I also said that after the second look and there was no sign of threat, that alarm was uncalled for. I further stated that that is the societal situation we should be working towards.  No undue alarm absent indicators of evil intent by persons seems reasonable to me. 

Obviously it does not to Sebastian or others here.   I can only assume they do not believe what they preach.

I suppose, in fairness, I should clarify what I think was tangential to the topic.   Your allusion to Europe with a uniform and  an SMG on every third  street corner is what I meant by tangential to the topic, but still worthy of inclusion.  I share your displeasure with the militarization of our law enforcement community and its increasingly aggressive nature, often in contravention of the law.

Nothing is so disouraging to would be gestapo as an armed and unashamed to be armed populace.  

I cannot argue with your assessment of the success of our co-opting
of the strategy of incrementalism.  I can argue with those who believe we should be alarmed at the mere sight of freedom and the exercise of the rights thereof.

Oh, and one more thing, 1994 to now is only 14 years, not 18. Sorry, didn&#039;t want to lose my creds as  a prick.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Ian, I didn&#8217;t find anything you wrote to be in error. Some of it was off at a tangent but still accurate.</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re not living in a black-and-white world; and an open-carried weapon does deserve a second look, as part of any rational person’s situational awareness.&#8221; Ian Argent.</p>
<p>Absolutely, I said that.   I also said that after the second look and there was no sign of threat, that alarm was uncalled for. I further stated that that is the societal situation we should be working towards.  No undue alarm absent indicators of evil intent by persons seems reasonable to me. </p>
<p>Obviously it does not to Sebastian or others here.   I can only assume they do not believe what they preach.</p>
<p>I suppose, in fairness, I should clarify what I think was tangential to the topic.   Your allusion to Europe with a uniform and  an SMG on every third  street corner is what I meant by tangential to the topic, but still worthy of inclusion.  I share your displeasure with the militarization of our law enforcement community and its increasingly aggressive nature, often in contravention of the law.</p>
<p>Nothing is so disouraging to would be gestapo as an armed and unashamed to be armed populace.  </p>
<p>I cannot argue with your assessment of the success of our co-opting<br />
of the strategy of incrementalism.  I can argue with those who believe we should be alarmed at the mere sight of freedom and the exercise of the rights thereof.</p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing, 1994 to now is only 14 years, not 18. Sorry, didn&#8217;t want to lose my creds as  a prick.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19567</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno - I&#039;d rather be mentally unused to seeing serious weaponry (rifle/SMG) on the streets to the point of double-taking than to be too blase to it. That&#039;s what&#039;s happened in Europe, where it seems that every third street corner has sprouted a uniform with a SMG at a minimum. (If you deduce that I don&#039;t care for the militarization of US cops, nor for the &quot;aggressive&quot; stance of the NYPD in particular, you get a gold star).

We&#039;re not living in a black-and-white world; and an open-carried weapon does deserve a second look, as part of any rational person&#039;s situational awareness. Locking down the entire campus is an over-reaction, though.

I&#039;m not going to touch the remainder of the rant - recriminations on how we got here are pointless. The point remains that we are not currently in a state of &quot;shall not be infringed&quot;; and the majority of the country is not uncomfortable enough with that state to change it. A policy of incrementalism has gotten us farther than I would have believed possible in 1994, at least not in a mere 18 years. There is a debate going on about campus concealed carry; in 1994 it was by no means obvious that we would &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; concealed carry at all, much less debating about whether it&#039;s appropriate for campus.

I&#039;ve participated in my share of politics, and the way to advance your cause is not to scream defiance from the rooftops, but to calmly engage in negotiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno &#8211; I&#8217;d rather be mentally unused to seeing serious weaponry (rifle/SMG) on the streets to the point of double-taking than to be too blase to it. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happened in Europe, where it seems that every third street corner has sprouted a uniform with a SMG at a minimum. (If you deduce that I don&#8217;t care for the militarization of US cops, nor for the &#8220;aggressive&#8221; stance of the NYPD in particular, you get a gold star).</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not living in a black-and-white world; and an open-carried weapon does deserve a second look, as part of any rational person&#8217;s situational awareness. Locking down the entire campus is an over-reaction, though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to touch the remainder of the rant &#8211; recriminations on how we got here are pointless. The point remains that we are not currently in a state of &#8220;shall not be infringed&#8221;; and the majority of the country is not uncomfortable enough with that state to change it. A policy of incrementalism has gotten us farther than I would have believed possible in 1994, at least not in a mere 18 years. There is a debate going on about campus concealed carry; in 1994 it was by no means obvious that we would <i>have</i> concealed carry at all, much less debating about whether it&#8217;s appropriate for campus.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve participated in my share of politics, and the way to advance your cause is not to scream defiance from the rooftops, but to calmly engage in negotiation.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19564</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you&#039;re right.  Now take your thorazine like a good little soldier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you&#8217;re right.  Now take your thorazine like a good little soldier.</p>
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		<title>By: JNS</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19561</link>
		<dc:creator>JNS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pale blooded cyber warrior?  SWEET!  That makes me sound totally awesome.  Do I get an troll zapping laser as part of the deal that I can use to finally drive you away so I don&#039;t have to read the retarded drivel that you spew out on every post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pale blooded cyber warrior?  SWEET!  That makes me sound totally awesome.  Do I get an troll zapping laser as part of the deal that I can use to finally drive you away so I don&#8217;t have to read the retarded drivel that you spew out on every post?</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19560</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JNS, you&#039;re just pitiful.  How the Hell would you know? No one tried.

I find it pitiful that you act like a member of a cult who thinks he is defending the next Messiah.  For Christ&#039;s sake, move in with him. 

This all started because I asked if it was really a valid reaction to be alarmed at the sight of a firearm absent any overt threat.  Comment after comment I endured personal attacks on my intelligence and character, but not once did any of you pale blooded cyber warriors engage the issue.

You think I&#039;m stupid?  I will consider that a ringing endorsement.  I would be extremely distressed if I thought a man as bereft of intellect or character as you thought well of me.

Oh Ahab, I answered you on hard copy and set it to sail in a bottle on Caddo Lake, I didn&#039;t think it appropriate to blah, blah, blah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JNS, you&#8217;re just pitiful.  How the Hell would you know? No one tried.</p>
<p>I find it pitiful that you act like a member of a cult who thinks he is defending the next Messiah.  For Christ&#8217;s sake, move in with him. </p>
<p>This all started because I asked if it was really a valid reaction to be alarmed at the sight of a firearm absent any overt threat.  Comment after comment I endured personal attacks on my intelligence and character, but not once did any of you pale blooded cyber warriors engage the issue.</p>
<p>You think I&#8217;m stupid?  I will consider that a ringing endorsement.  I would be extremely distressed if I thought a man as bereft of intellect or character as you thought well of me.</p>
<p>Oh Ahab, I answered you on hard copy and set it to sail in a bottle on Caddo Lake, I didn&#8217;t think it appropriate to blah, blah, blah.</p>
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		<title>By: JNS</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19556</link>
		<dc:creator>JNS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t address your logic or positions because you&#039;re too stupid to understand when anyone does.  Did any of those old injuries hit you in the head?  It would certainly explain the brain damage that everyone but you can see you suffer from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t address your logic or positions because you&#8217;re too stupid to understand when anyone does.  Did any of those old injuries hit you in the head?  It would certainly explain the brain damage that everyone but you can see you suffer from.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahab</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19541</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I addressed your contentions in my blog, because I didn&#039;t feel like it was appropriate to do so at such length here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I addressed your contentions in my blog, because I didn&#8217;t feel like it was appropriate to do so at such length here.</p>
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		<title>By: Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I still believe</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19538</link>
		<dc:creator>Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I still believe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In open carry, despite what the comments in this post might have you think. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In open carry, despite what the comments in this post might have you think. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/02/22/cal-state-lockdown/#comment-19537</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you gentlemen for being so easy.  I can only assume my logic and position were unassailable, because none of you addressed them. 

Only my perceived personal shortcomings received any attention while the issues and questions raised were avoided.

Now we have the mewlings of victimhood when you receive the same treatment you dispense. Awwwww.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you gentlemen for being so easy.  I can only assume my logic and position were unassailable, because none of you addressed them. </p>
<p>Only my perceived personal shortcomings received any attention while the issues and questions raised were avoided.</p>
<p>Now we have the mewlings of victimhood when you receive the same treatment you dispense. Awwwww.</p>
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