Comments on: Parking Lot Bills http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:36:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: straightarrow http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/#comment-17435 straightarrow Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:26:37 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2377#comment-17435 Dustin has it. Don't just think about this is 2A terms, but think about in terms of all the other rights this practice violates. And think of all the area covered by the violation of these rights beyond the limits of the employer's lot. He hasn't just violated you on his property but has extended that violation to everywhere between his property and anywhere else you may need to go. And he did it by violating your property rights. How in God's name does anyone justify that? Dustin has it.

Don’t just think about this is 2A terms, but think about in terms of all the other rights this practice violates. And think of all the area covered by the violation of these rights beyond the limits of the employer’s lot.

He hasn’t just violated you on his property but has extended that violation to everywhere between his property and anywhere else you may need to go. And he did it by violating your property rights.

How in God’s name does anyone justify that?

]]> By: Dustin http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/#comment-17428 Dustin Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:41:49 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2377#comment-17428 I'm all for property rights in that a business can tell me whether or not I can park my car on his or her property. Where I draw the line is invasion of my property rights by the employer wanting to know what is in my car or trying to tell me that I can not have perfectly legal items within it since my car is an extension of my home. The line would be that I can't step out of my mobile "home" in the form of my car & onto the business property carrying a weapon if the business owner does not allow weapons. In that case I'd be forced to lock my gun in my car to respect the business property rights, or refuse to get out of my car & drive off. Just my .02 cents :) I’m all for property rights in that a business can tell me whether or not I can park my car on his or her property. Where I draw the line is invasion of my property rights by the employer wanting to know what is in my car or trying to tell me that I can not have perfectly legal items within it since my car is an extension of my home.

The line would be that I can’t step out of my mobile “home” in the form of my car & onto the business property carrying a weapon if the business owner does not allow weapons. In that case I’d be forced to lock my gun in my car to respect the business property rights, or refuse to get out of my car & drive off.

Just my .02 cents :)

]]> By: Alcibiades McZombie http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/#comment-17418 Alcibiades McZombie Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:13:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2377#comment-17418 I view parking lots as able to have easements similar to sidewalks. Sidewalks in front of buildings are owned by somebody, yet anyone with a CCW can carry over that property. Even without a CCW, you can carry a firearm across sidewalks (complying with all local laws, etc., etc.). (Okay, sidewalks are a bit different in that they are "right-of-way", but easements can do other things as well.) I view parking lots as able to have easements similar to sidewalks. Sidewalks in front of buildings are owned by somebody, yet anyone with a CCW can carry over that property. Even without a CCW, you can carry a firearm across sidewalks (complying with all local laws, etc., etc.).

(Okay, sidewalks are a bit different in that they are “right-of-way”, but easements can do other things as well.)

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/#comment-17415 Sebastian Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:48:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2377#comment-17415 <i>I think that is a great and wonderful idea right up until it begins to undermine hard work of the people who live there. In this case, the residents and activists of Georgia have taken a different tack. Georgia is NOT Oklahoma and the NRA is stepping on Activists who will still be fighting the good fight there after the NRA has moved on.</i> That's a legitimate criticism, and Georgia activists aren't the first people to get pooped on when NRA decides it has different priorities. I understand the frustration, but I think a lot of folks get way too bent out of shape and start looking at the issue too parochially. I do actually wish that NRA could always work nicely with local groups, but NRA has a national agenda to worry about, and that's necessarily going to mean local groups get stomped on sometimes. It sucks, but I don't know how you change that and still have a national gun rights movement. I think that is a great and wonderful idea right up until it begins to undermine hard work of the people who live there. In this case, the residents and activists of Georgia have taken a different tack. Georgia is NOT Oklahoma and the NRA is stepping on Activists who will still be fighting the good fight there after the NRA has moved on.

That’s a legitimate criticism, and Georgia activists aren’t the first people to get pooped on when NRA decides it has different priorities. I understand the frustration, but I think a lot of folks get way too bent out of shape and start looking at the issue too parochially. I do actually wish that NRA could always work nicely with local groups, but NRA has a national agenda to worry about, and that’s necessarily going to mean local groups get stomped on sometimes. It sucks, but I don’t know how you change that and still have a national gun rights movement.

]]> By: Sailorcurt http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/parking-lot-bills/#comment-17411 Sailorcurt Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:18:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2377#comment-17411 I'm well aware of what started the ball rolling on this issue. I applauded their efforts in Oklahoma at the time and I still do even though I'm not wholeheartedly behind the legislative fix that they pursued. The NRA tasted success in Oklahoma and, so, are trying to capitalize on that success by getting similar legislation passed in other states. I think that is a great and wonderful idea right up until it begins to undermine hard work of the people who live there. In this case, the residents and activists of Georgia have taken a different tack. Georgia is NOT Oklahoma and the NRA is stepping on Activists who will still be fighting the good fight there after the NRA has moved on. The NRA should be supporting the grass roots activists in Georgia who have been working so hard on this legislation...not undermining them to pursue their own agenda. I’m well aware of what started the ball rolling on this issue. I applauded their efforts in Oklahoma at the time and I still do even though I’m not wholeheartedly behind the legislative fix that they pursued.

The NRA tasted success in Oklahoma and, so, are trying to capitalize on that success by getting similar legislation passed in other states.

I think that is a great and wonderful idea right up until it begins to undermine hard work of the people who live there. In this case, the residents and activists of Georgia have taken a different tack. Georgia is NOT Oklahoma and the NRA is stepping on Activists who will still be fighting the good fight there after the NRA has moved on.

The NRA should be supporting the grass roots activists in Georgia who have been working so hard on this legislation…not undermining them to pursue their own agenda.

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