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	<title>Comments on: More on HB 915</title>
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	<description>The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ...</description>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17753</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see someone come up with one good common sence reason why HB-915 should not be passed. I have the GOD given right to protect my family when I leave my home and this bill will allow me legally to do so. Our law enforcement officals do a great job even with their hands tied behind their back but they can&#039;t provide instant help if it is needed. If the young lady hiking the Blood mountain trail had carried agun she might be alive today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see someone come up with one good common sence reason why HB-915 should not be passed. I have the GOD given right to protect my family when I leave my home and this bill will allow me legally to do so. Our law enforcement officals do a great job even with their hands tied behind their back but they can&#8217;t provide instant help if it is needed. If the young lady hiking the Blood mountain trail had carried agun she might be alive today.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades McZombie</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17482</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcibiades McZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>419 advance-fee fraud scams?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>419 advance-fee fraud scams?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do.  Where&#039;d I get 419 from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do.  Where&#8217;d I get 419 from?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17425</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; . . . in regards to HB 419.&lt;/i&gt;

I assume you mean HB 915?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> . . . in regards to HB 419.</i></p>
<p>I assume you mean HB 915?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17423</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I get the purpose of that clause now, and I&#039;m not asserting that HB419 and HB89 are related in terms of intent, but that the clause in 419 creates a plausible case for nullifying the parking lot provision of HB 89 I think is still an issue.  Whether that&#039;s really NRA&#039;s problem or not, I don&#039;t know.  But I suspect that could be a concern for them.  I still haven&#039;t seen any kind of statement from them in regards to HB 419.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I get the purpose of that clause now, and I&#8217;m not asserting that HB419 and HB89 are related in terms of intent, but that the clause in 419 creates a plausible case for nullifying the parking lot provision of HB 89 I think is still an issue.  Whether that&#8217;s really NRA&#8217;s problem or not, I don&#8217;t know.  But I suspect that could be a concern for them.  I still haven&#8217;t seen any kind of statement from them in regards to HB 419.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17412</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sailorcurt, I just WISH the NRA would &quot;jump on the bandwagon after all the hard work is already done and then graciously accept credit for accomplishing the goal.&quot;  GeorgiaCarry.Org would be fine with that.  We are not doing this for credit.  We are doing this to restore the right to bear arms in Georgia, which has more places off limits than any state in the nation that permits firearms carry at all.   Gun Owners of America, Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and the Georgia Sports Shooters Association have all jumped in to help remove these government criminal restrictions on law abiding firearms license holders.  If the NRA did, too, we could easily take Georgia out of the top spot for &quot;most places off limits by law to a carrying firearm with a license.&quot;

The constitution restrains government, and therefore repealing government criminal restrictions on that right must take priority if you are interested in enforcing a constituional right.

Sebastian, 

The only &quot;interference&quot; or similarity between the two bills is that one section of one bill (HB 915) states that the particular section is not to be construed to restrict existing private property rights (in other words, possession of a firearms license, which under the section in question is an authorization to carry a firearm into &quot;all areas of the state,&quot; does not mean I am now authorized by law to carry all over your property).  The other bill does not even deal with firearms licenses at all, but permits some people to lock a gun in their glove box in some private propery parking lots.  The two really are not related.  I hope that clears it up a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailorcurt, I just WISH the NRA would &#8220;jump on the bandwagon after all the hard work is already done and then graciously accept credit for accomplishing the goal.&#8221;  GeorgiaCarry.Org would be fine with that.  We are not doing this for credit.  We are doing this to restore the right to bear arms in Georgia, which has more places off limits than any state in the nation that permits firearms carry at all.   Gun Owners of America, Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and the Georgia Sports Shooters Association have all jumped in to help remove these government criminal restrictions on law abiding firearms license holders.  If the NRA did, too, we could easily take Georgia out of the top spot for &#8220;most places off limits by law to a carrying firearm with a license.&#8221;</p>
<p>The constitution restrains government, and therefore repealing government criminal restrictions on that right must take priority if you are interested in enforcing a constituional right.</p>
<p>Sebastian, </p>
<p>The only &#8220;interference&#8221; or similarity between the two bills is that one section of one bill (HB 915) states that the particular section is not to be construed to restrict existing private property rights (in other words, possession of a firearms license, which under the section in question is an authorization to carry a firearm into &#8220;all areas of the state,&#8221; does not mean I am now authorized by law to carry all over your property).  The other bill does not even deal with firearms licenses at all, but permits some people to lock a gun in their glove box in some private propery parking lots.  The two really are not related.  I hope that clears it up a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17405</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t see how HB 915 could have &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; effect on HB 89.  Sure, the portion of HB 915 to which you refer says that &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; bill doesn&#039;t limit a property owner&#039;s ability to restrict firearms on the premises, but how would it affect &lt;i&gt;another&lt;/i&gt; bill&#039;s (HB 89&#039;s) ability to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t see how HB 915 could have <i>any</i> effect on HB 89.  Sure, the portion of HB 915 to which you refer says that <i>that</i> bill doesn&#8217;t limit a property owner&#8217;s ability to restrict firearms on the premises, but how would it affect <i>another</i> bill&#8217;s (HB 89&#8242;s) ability to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorcurt</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17403</link>
		<dc:creator>Sailorcurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right but whether HB 915 would interfere with HB89 or not is irrelevant.  The point is that the NRA is (again) interfering with an initiative supported by the LOCAL gun owners in preference to their own (arguably inferior) bill.  If Georgia Carry has been working on this bill as long as they say, and if the NRA introduced their bill KNOWING that Georgia Carry has been working on this bill...then it is the NRA crapping on the local group, not the other way around.

I know I always come across as an NRA basher because I always chime in on these types of issues...I&#039;m not.  I&#039;m a life member and I acknowledge that the NRA does many, many good things and are very effective.  But I also think that they tend to step on the smaller, state level groups for their own purposes and I will not defend them when they do so.   

Not only that, but they seemingly refuse to even acknowledge the contributions of the smaller groups and, even worse, occasionally jump on the bandwagon after all the hard work is already done and then graciously accept credit for accomplishing the goal.  

As a State level activist myself, I feel Georgia Carry&#039;s pain and I won&#039;t support the NRA&#039;s actions blindly.  Cooperation is not synonymous with supplication.  If the NRA expects the support of the State level groups, the state level groups need to be assured of reciprocal support when needed.  All too often, that support is in short supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right but whether HB 915 would interfere with HB89 or not is irrelevant.  The point is that the NRA is (again) interfering with an initiative supported by the LOCAL gun owners in preference to their own (arguably inferior) bill.  If Georgia Carry has been working on this bill as long as they say, and if the NRA introduced their bill KNOWING that Georgia Carry has been working on this bill&#8230;then it is the NRA crapping on the local group, not the other way around.</p>
<p>I know I always come across as an NRA basher because I always chime in on these types of issues&#8230;I&#8217;m not.  I&#8217;m a life member and I acknowledge that the NRA does many, many good things and are very effective.  But I also think that they tend to step on the smaller, state level groups for their own purposes and I will not defend them when they do so.   </p>
<p>Not only that, but they seemingly refuse to even acknowledge the contributions of the smaller groups and, even worse, occasionally jump on the bandwagon after all the hard work is already done and then graciously accept credit for accomplishing the goal.  </p>
<p>As a State level activist myself, I feel Georgia Carry&#8217;s pain and I won&#8217;t support the NRA&#8217;s actions blindly.  Cooperation is not synonymous with supplication.  If the NRA expects the support of the State level groups, the state level groups need to be assured of reciprocal support when needed.  All too often, that support is in short supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Georgia Issues</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2008/01/10/more-on-hb-915/#comment-17400</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Georgia Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GeorgiaCarry.org has responded that HB 915 has nothing to do with HB 89, and that they have been working on this bill long before [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] GeorgiaCarry.org has responded that HB 915 has nothing to do with HB 89, and that they have been working on this bill long before [...]</p>
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