Comments on: Can You Smell It Yet? http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: couple questions about joining the NRA - Page 3 http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-18051 couple questions about joining the NRA - Page 3 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:06:39 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-18051 [...] Bill. Most people would disagree with you. This was crazy crap from the GOA. Please see Sebastian's breakdown of the GOA's crap. If you read that and still think it was a sell-out, I'll leave you to your opinion, but I am of [...] [...] Bill. Most people would disagree with you. This was crazy crap from the GOA. Please see Sebastian’s breakdown of the GOA’s crap. If you read that and still think it was a sell-out, I’ll leave you to your opinion, but I am of [...]

]]> By: straightarrow http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16676 straightarrow Tue, 25 Dec 2007 08:02:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16676 A lot of progun people would seem to be fools who keep falling for the same old shit. A lot of progun people would seem to be fools who keep falling for the same old shit.

]]> By: Dennis Stonehocker http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16658 Dennis Stonehocker Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:42:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16658 You may be right. Just read a little of David Hardy's viewpoints ( he's NOT a slimy lawyer, he's one of the good guys) and he seems to agree with you. I hope that you are right and I'm wrong on this one as it seems that this will pass. The fewer laws the better! Dennis You may be right. Just read a little of David Hardy’s viewpoints ( he’s NOT a slimy lawyer, he’s one of the good guys) and he seems to agree with you. I hope that you are right and I’m wrong on this one as it seems that this will pass. The fewer laws the better!

Dennis

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16656 Sebastian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:27:43 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16656 It's going to happen. It's in the law that just passed. There are no current laws that would do the same thing. A lot of pro-gun attorneys who have been working in this issue for a long time like the bill. If there's a rat in there to be found, there's a lot of very smart people haven't been able to find it. It’s going to happen. It’s in the law that just passed. There are no current laws that would do the same thing. A lot of pro-gun attorneys who have been working in this issue for a long time like the bill. If there’s a rat in there to be found, there’s a lot of very smart people haven’t been able to find it.

]]> By: Dennis Stonehocker http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16655 Dennis Stonehocker Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:14:30 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16655 So allowing people who had mental health episodes years ago, but are fine now, to clear their name “accomplishes nothing”? I certainly hope that happens! But...I'll bet that there are current laws that would do the same thing. I hope you are right, however I still think that there is a rat hiding somewhere in this legislation or some loop hole that was purposely put in that some slimy lawyer is just waiting to punce on. So allowing people who had mental health episodes years ago, but are fine now, to clear their name “accomplishes nothing”?

I certainly hope that happens! But…I’ll bet that there are current laws that would do the same thing. I hope you are right, however I still think that there is a rat hiding somewhere in this legislation or some loop hole that was purposely put in that some slimy lawyer is just waiting to punce on.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16652 Sebastian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:00:02 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16652 <i>1) There was absolutely no need for this Bill, it accomplishes nothing, so what was/is the purpose? </i> So allowing people who had mental health episodes years ago, but are fine now, to clear their name "accomplishes nothing"? Schumer was happy with the bill because it was a good way to make him look like he was doing something about Virginia Tech. Both sides are declaring victory in this, but on balance, they didn't get much, and we walked away with being able to flush a small piece of GCA 68 down the toilet. 1) There was absolutely no need for this Bill, it accomplishes nothing, so what was/is the purpose?

So allowing people who had mental health episodes years ago, but are fine now, to clear their name “accomplishes nothing”?

Schumer was happy with the bill because it was a good way to make him look like he was doing something about Virginia Tech. Both sides are declaring victory in this, but on balance, they didn’t get much, and we walked away with being able to flush a small piece of GCA 68 down the toilet.

]]> By: Dennis Stonehocker http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16649 Dennis Stonehocker Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:48:24 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16649 A couple of things here: 1) There was absolutely no need for this Bill, it accomplishes nothing, so what was/is the purpose? 2) There is some reason that extreme anti-gunners like Schumer love this Bill and pushed it through. After 22 years as a cop, spending endless hours in court and dealing with attorneys, I have come to one conclusion: Attorneys can take the best, most well intentioned laws on the books and along with an activist Judge twist it until they say the exact opposite of the original document. I say, if it ain't broke ,don't fix it. Dennis A couple of things here: 1) There was absolutely no need for this Bill, it accomplishes nothing, so what was/is the purpose? 2) There is some reason that extreme anti-gunners like Schumer love this Bill and pushed it through. After 22 years as a cop, spending endless hours in court and dealing with attorneys, I have come to one conclusion: Attorneys can take the best, most well intentioned laws on the books and along with an activist Judge twist it until they say the exact opposite of the original document. I say, if it ain’t broke ,don’t fix it.

Dennis

]]> By: Boyd http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16648 Boyd Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:55:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16648 I've noticed a trend among the folks who don't like this bill: they keep saying that bad things will happen to gun owners, yet they never cite what part of the bill will do these bad things. Larry Pratt, in fact, did cite portions of the bill that would do bad things, but intelligent people read his citations and responded along the lines of "One of us doesn't know how to read." Net positive. I would never believe that gun banners can't take something good and turn it into something bad, but for the life of me I can't see where this bill opens that door. I’ve noticed a trend among the folks who don’t like this bill: they keep saying that bad things will happen to gun owners, yet they never cite what part of the bill will do these bad things.

Larry Pratt, in fact, did cite portions of the bill that would do bad things, but intelligent people read his citations and responded along the lines of “One of us doesn’t know how to read.”

Net positive. I would never believe that gun banners can’t take something good and turn it into something bad, but for the life of me I can’t see where this bill opens that door.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16641 Sebastian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:35:08 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16641 <i>However well intentioned this Bill may be, it will be used at some point in the future to ban legitimate gun ownership.</i> How? What mechanism in the bill allows this kind of thing to happen? <i>The Brady bunch have lost nothing and gun owners potentially something. The gun control lobby knows that they have to take our rights away incrementally and this provides a good first step. Don’t forget, the leftest lawyers are still arguing over the meaning of “is”.</i> How have they lost nothing? They had to take their original NICS improvement bill and add a bunch of pro-gun stuff to it I can promise you they don't like. What did we potentially lose? What rights have been taken away? However well intentioned this Bill may be, it will be used at some point in the future to ban legitimate gun ownership.

How? What mechanism in the bill allows this kind of thing to happen?

The Brady bunch have lost nothing and gun owners potentially something. The gun control lobby knows that they have to take our rights away incrementally and this provides a good first step. Don’t forget, the leftest lawyers are still arguing over the meaning of “is”.

How have they lost nothing? They had to take their original NICS improvement bill and add a bunch of pro-gun stuff to it I can promise you they don’t like. What did we potentially lose? What rights have been taken away?

]]> By: Wade Jensen http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/21/can-you-smell-it-yet/#comment-16640 Wade Jensen Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:21:31 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2216#comment-16640 Well said, Dennis Stonehocker, well said! PolyKahr Well said, Dennis Stonehocker, well said!

PolyKahr

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