Comments on: ATF Reform May Be Moving Forward http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/19/atf-reform-may-be-moving-forward/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SayUncle » NICS Bill to the president http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/19/atf-reform-may-be-moving-forward/#comment-16492 SayUncle » NICS Bill to the president Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:23:12 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2203#comment-16492 [...] Sebastian noted that the ATF reform bill may be combined with the NICS improvement. Not sure that happened but I hope it did. [...] [...] Sebastian noted that the ATF reform bill may be combined with the NICS improvement. Not sure that happened but I hope it did. [...]

]]> By: countertop http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/19/atf-reform-may-be-moving-forward/#comment-16468 countertop Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:55:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2203#comment-16468 politically, we stand a better chance now. in the last one, republican eyes were largely on other issues and when it came time to throw us a bone, the Dems wouldnt let them have an easy victory. Now, in control based largely on the election of rural red state freshman (who are all VERY vulnerable in 2008 and hence make Democratic power vulnerable) and with the gunbigots showing no benfit to Dems at the poll (and likely to lose big in the Supreme Court) this becomes a no brainer. They get great press for passing anything (and in fact have done nearly all they promised/needed to do to win reelection). They get great press for responding to VA Tech They work well with the NRA and neutralize its ability to really impact the 2008 elections They give their freshman another easy vote (next to the farm bill and energy bill) to go back home and brag about and get reelected Once re-elected, those freshman become entrenched incumbants and are nearly impossible to defeat, preserving Democratic rule for a few election cycles, at least. politically, we stand a better chance now. in the last one, republican eyes were largely on other issues and when it came time to throw us a bone, the Dems wouldnt let them have an easy victory.

Now, in control based largely on the election of rural red state freshman (who are all VERY vulnerable in 2008 and hence make Democratic power vulnerable) and with the gunbigots showing no benfit to Dems at the poll (and likely to lose big in the Supreme Court) this becomes a no brainer.

They get great press for passing anything (and in fact have done nearly all they promised/needed to do to win reelection).
They get great press for responding to VA Tech
They work well with the NRA and neutralize its ability to really impact the 2008 elections
They give their freshman another easy vote (next to the farm bill and energy bill) to go back home and brag about and get reelected
Once re-elected, those freshman become entrenched incumbants and are nearly impossible to defeat, preserving Democratic rule for a few election cycles, at least.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/19/atf-reform-may-be-moving-forward/#comment-16458 Sebastian Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:49:00 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2203#comment-16458 I think it probably could have been passed in the previous congress, given enough time. Even if it doesn't pass in this one, at least if we can have a vote, it's a good way to get the politicians on record about where they stand on issues that are important to us. I'm not super optimistic either, but at least it seems to be going somewhere. I think it probably could have been passed in the previous congress, given enough time. Even if it doesn’t pass in this one, at least if we can have a vote, it’s a good way to get the politicians on record about where they stand on issues that are important to us.

I’m not super optimistic either, but at least it seems to be going somewhere.

]]> By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/12/19/atf-reform-may-be-moving-forward/#comment-16456 Kurt "45superman" Hofmann Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:41:15 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2203#comment-16456 That would certainly be welcome news. The fact that neither bill made it in the previous, Republican-controlled Congress (although H.R. 5092 seemed close to making it, except for Feinstein's efforts) leads me to doubt--but I'd love to discover that my pessimism is unfounded. That would certainly be welcome news. The fact that neither bill made it in the previous, Republican-controlled Congress (although H.R. 5092 seemed close to making it, except for Feinstein’s efforts) leads me to doubt–but I’d love to discover that my pessimism is unfounded.

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