Comments on: A Quick Response http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SteVe http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15301 SteVe Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:29:43 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15301 We need to find out where that 'temporal' statistic comes from so it can be properly debunked. We need to find out where that ‘temporal’ statistic comes from so it can be properly debunked.

]]> By: M http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15259 M Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:16:57 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15259 Equating a temporary drop in gun availability to effectiveness of a law is misleading at best and dishonest at worst. If a supply route is disrupted there will be a perturbance in the guns available only for long enough to establish new supply lines. Weather these new supply lines are represented as extra straw buyers, out of state gun runs, or increased theft, after a brief reduction the supply will equal demand. So for a short 1 month victory in the reduction of guns available, you now create a new demand that will be in part filled with increased thefts and burglaries. How about a study to see where the new 30% of guns come from and then figuring out if the theft and burglary numbers went up proportionally to the reduction in supply? In otherwords, because the politician is unable or unwilling to tackle the root cause of the problem, the endanger the lifes of other law abiding people. But the man said it him self, if it only saves one life then who cares about our rights. Equating a temporary drop in gun availability to effectiveness of a law is misleading at best and dishonest at worst. If a supply route is disrupted there will be a perturbance in the guns available only for long enough to establish new supply lines. Weather these new supply lines are represented as extra straw buyers, out of state gun runs, or increased theft, after a brief reduction the supply will equal demand. So for a short 1 month victory in the reduction of guns available, you now create a new demand that will be in part filled with increased thefts and burglaries. How about a study to see where the new 30% of guns come from and then figuring out if the theft and burglary numbers went up proportionally to the reduction in supply? In otherwords, because the politician is unable or unwilling to tackle the root cause of the problem, the endanger the lifes of other law abiding people.
But the man said it him self, if it only saves one life then who cares about our rights.

]]> By: demon http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15258 demon Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:40:00 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15258 It seems that all you have to do to make a bad idea seem good is say that "if it saves just one child". Thats such a low blow to make everyone think they have to give up rights to save kids. As was said, if you buy 3 or more firearms at the same time the 4473 form is sent to the BATFE, not kept on file at the dealer. Straw purchasers eventually get caught when they buy too many firearms. When they come to look at your firearms after tracing a crime gun back to you, and you don't have even 1 of the 200 firearms bought in the last year, they will either charge you as an illegal dealer, and or a straw purchaser. It seems that all you have to do to make a bad idea seem good is say that “if it saves just one child”. Thats such a low blow to make everyone think they have to give up rights to save kids. As was said, if you buy 3 or more firearms at the same time the 4473 form is sent to the BATFE, not kept on file at the dealer. Straw purchasers eventually get caught when they buy too many firearms. When they come to look at your firearms after tracing a crime gun back to you, and you don’t have even 1 of the 200 firearms bought in the last year, they will either charge you as an illegal dealer, and or a straw purchaser.

]]> By: Robb Allen http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15239 Robb Allen Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:14:44 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15239 Hell, I'm against this idea but it would have no bearing on me. My wife has instituted a 1 gun a <b>year</b> law in our household. The fact I bought 3 this year seems to have caused that new legislation. Hell, I’m against this idea but it would have no bearing on me.

My wife has instituted a 1 gun a year law in our household. The fact I bought 3 this year seems to have caused that new legislation.

]]> By: Greg http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15238 Greg Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:46:03 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15238 Gun rationing won't stop criminals. When the Army first started issuing the 9mm Berrettas, an enterprising pair of thugs ambushed an MP & took his. They stopped their car, raised the hood & waited. When the MP came up, they beat him up, took the gun & fled. I don't know if they were ever caught. Fortunately, not all thugs are this innovative, but it does show what lengths a goblin will go to get what they want. You can pile on all the laws you want, they are totally irrelevent to people who don't believe in law. Gun rationing won’t stop criminals. When the Army first started issuing the 9mm Berrettas, an enterprising pair of thugs ambushed an MP & took his. They stopped their car, raised the hood & waited. When the MP came up, they beat him up, took the gun & fled. I don’t know if they were ever caught.

Fortunately, not all thugs are this innovative, but it does show what lengths a goblin will go to get what they want. You can pile on all the laws you want, they are totally irrelevent to people who don’t believe in law.

]]> By: The Fruity Bill of Rights at The Bitch Girls http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15235 The Fruity Bill of Rights at The Bitch Girls Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:01:11 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15235 [...] wrote to a state representative regarding prior constraints on constitutional rights. The rep wrote back: I understand your rhetorical point but I think comparing speech to guns (or any right to any [...] [...] wrote to a state representative regarding prior constraints on constitutional rights. The rep wrote back: I understand your rhetorical point but I think comparing speech to guns (or any right to any [...]

]]> By: Alphecca » One Gun Per Month http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15231 Alphecca » One Gun Per Month Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:40:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15231 [...] Maryland state legislator responds to Sebastian on the subject. I’m not buying the argument either. A huge number of illegal guns are [...] [...] Maryland state legislator responds to Sebastian on the subject. I’m not buying the argument either. A huge number of illegal guns are [...]

]]> By: Gregg http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15227 Gregg Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:02:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15227 Ingenious way to work on turning that right into a privilege. Ingenious way to work on turning that right into a privilege.

]]> By: Lysander http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15202 Lysander Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:41:29 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15202 I've run into the one-a-month rule as well: no CCW yet. Given that the rule doesn't apply with the permit, it's only been my not prioritizing the permit that keeps me subject to the rule. Hopefully I can make the range after the Dale City show this weekend. I’ve run into the one-a-month rule as well: no CCW yet. Given that the rule doesn’t apply with the permit, it’s only been my not prioritizing the permit that keeps me subject to the rule.

Hopefully I can make the range after the Dale City show this weekend.

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/11/28/a-quick-response/#comment-15200 Weer'd Beard Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:00:32 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=2011#comment-15200 Definetly ask him for a citation on that drop in 30% of gun violence. If I buy 20 guns at a shop (not to mention I'd spend most of the day filling out the paperwork for all of them, cheap or no) And I sell them to Thugsly's gang, the ATF is going to have a VERY clean papertrail leading RIGHT to my door, no matter if I do this in liberal Mass, or Conservative Texas. You think I won't get asked a few questions when my last 10 gun buys show up in the hands of crack dealers, or I keep reporting guns "stolen"? We already have laws in place that red flag such illigal activites. Another instance of "One more law" I call Bravo Sierra on that stat! Definetly ask him for a citation on that drop in 30% of gun violence. If I buy 20 guns at a shop (not to mention I’d spend most of the day filling out the paperwork for all of them, cheap or no) And I sell them to Thugsly’s gang, the ATF is going to have a VERY clean papertrail leading RIGHT to my door, no matter if I do this in liberal Mass, or Conservative Texas. You think I won’t get asked a few questions when my last 10 gun buys show up in the hands of crack dealers, or I keep reporting guns “stolen”?

We already have laws in place that red flag such illigal activites. Another instance of “One more law”

I call Bravo Sierra on that stat!

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