Comments on: Is NRA Anti-Cop? http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: straightarrow http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13200 straightarrow Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:59:41 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13200 Yes, Linoge, you know, else they would not have tried to talk Fenty out of pursuing his appeal of Parker (Heller) v. DC. as evidenced in another item on this site and elsewhere. They know they are wrong, that they are campaigning to dishonestly deny natural rights to citizens and they are afraid the court will know it also. You need no more proof that they know damn well they are wrong. They are just hoping political pressure from ignorami, such as JadeGold, whose votes unfortunately count for as much as do votes of the intelligent, will sway the oft times spineless adjudicator, legislators and enforcers of the law in order to retain the perks of their illegitimately exalted status. Yes, Linoge, you know, else they would not have tried to talk Fenty out of pursuing his appeal of Parker (Heller) v. DC. as evidenced in another item on this site and elsewhere.

They know they are wrong, that they are campaigning to dishonestly deny natural rights to citizens and they are afraid the court will know it also. You need no more proof that they know damn well they are wrong. They are just hoping political pressure from ignorami, such as JadeGold, whose votes unfortunately count for as much as do votes of the intelligent, will sway the oft times spineless adjudicator, legislators and enforcers of the law in order to retain the perks of their illegitimately exalted status.

]]> By: Linoge http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13123 Linoge Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:51:42 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13123 Well, I do not honestly know whether they believe it or not, straightarrow. That said, their protestations and "arguments" against firearms border on straight-up beliefs/faith, so it all comes out even in the end :). As for those who read it and believe it themselves... well, one is born every minute! Well, I do not honestly know whether they believe it or not, straightarrow. That said, their protestations and “arguments” against firearms border on straight-up beliefs/faith, so it all comes out even in the end :).

As for those who read it and believe it themselves… well, one is born every minute!

]]> By: gattsuru http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13117 gattsuru Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:10:31 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13117 Yeah, and the FOP head's had to constantly fight attempts to get the people in the group polled on the matter. They've still fought for Tiahrt, against Lautenberg (with the only even remotely successful legal case, although I believe it was later overturned), against the New Jersey Assault Weapon Ban, stated opposition to gun registration on a federal level and local level, and a few other goodies. They were bedded with HCI under the Clinton era (coincidentally, at the same time that a good 4+ million dollars worth of grants were mysteriously handed out), and they'll never be too far on our side, but given their opposition the vast majority of the Brady-dingles, it's a bit hard to claim that the NRA hates them. Yeah, and the FOP head’s had to constantly fight attempts to get the people in the group polled on the matter. They’ve still fought for Tiahrt, against Lautenberg (with the only even remotely successful legal case, although I believe it was later overturned), against the New Jersey Assault Weapon Ban, stated opposition to gun registration on a federal level and local level, and a few other goodies.

They were bedded with HCI under the Clinton era (coincidentally, at the same time that a good 4+ million dollars worth of grants were mysteriously handed out), and they’ll never be too far on our side, but given their opposition the vast majority of the Brady-dingles, it’s a bit hard to claim that the NRA hates them.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13113 Sebastian Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:32:03 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13113 FOP isn't a principled supporter of gun rights. They have been known to support measures that don't affect law enforcement. The assault weapons ban being among them. FOP isn’t a principled supporter of gun rights. They have been known to support measures that don’t affect law enforcement. The assault weapons ban being among them.

]]> By: gattsuru http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13109 gattsuru Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:22:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13109 <blockquote>Actually, the NRA is very much anti-police. The fact the NRA can trot out a few cops is very much akin to the GOP trotting out JC Watts and Clarence Thomas.</blockquote> The NRA has had FOP support on several topics spanning over several years. Saying we 'trot out a few cops' when we're citing the single largest police officer's group <i>in the world</i> is just plain ridiculous.

Actually, the NRA is very much anti-police. The fact the NRA can trot out a few cops is very much akin to the GOP trotting out JC Watts and Clarence Thomas.

The NRA has had FOP support on several topics spanning over several years. Saying we ‘trot out a few cops’ when we’re citing the single largest police officer’s group in the world is just plain ridiculous.

]]> By: straightarrow http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13106 straightarrow Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:03:14 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13106 Linoge, they don't believe it to be true. They just hope the ignorami, like JG,who read it will. I must say, in this case, the NRA has been falsely accused. And you all know how I feel about the NRA. Linoge, they don’t believe it to be true. They just hope the ignorami, like JG,who read it will.

I must say, in this case, the NRA has been falsely accused. And you all know how I feel about the NRA.

]]> By: Linoge http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13105 Linoge Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:13:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13105 Just another instance of "if you repeat it enough times, it <em>must</em> be true!" Be buggered if the statistics back them up, or if reality shows any relation to what they are saying, or any of that nonsense. Simply because they believe it to be true, and repeat it enough times, it has to be true. Just another instance of “if you repeat it enough times, it must be true!” Be buggered if the statistics back them up, or if reality shows any relation to what they are saying, or any of that nonsense. Simply because they believe it to be true, and repeat it enough times, it has to be true.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13104 Sebastian Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:19:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13104 Police are just like regular people. Some of them don't like the idea of civilians having firearms at all. Some of them are for some moderate controls, and some of them ally with us. Polling would indicate otherwise though. Consider <a href="http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=22621" rel="nofollow">this poll</a>, which is chiefs and sheriffs, and not rank and file: <blockquote>Gun Control: With regard to private citizens owning firearms for sport or self-defense, 93.6 percent of the respondents supported civilian gun-ownership rights. Ninety-six percent of the police chiefs and sheriffs believe criminals obtain firearms from illegal sources and 92.2 percent revealed they hadn't arrested anyone for violation of the so-called "waiting period" laws. When asked if citizens concealed-weapons permits would reduce violent crime, 63.1 percent said yes.</blockquote> I've seen other polling that indicates support for gun rights among police officers is pretty widespread. My anecdotal experience bears that out as well. I've yet to meet a police officer who thinks gun control is really going to affect a criminal's ability to get a gun. Police are just like regular people. Some of them don’t like the idea of civilians having firearms at all. Some of them are for some moderate controls, and some of them ally with us. Polling would indicate otherwise though. Consider this poll, which is chiefs and sheriffs, and not rank and file:

Gun Control: With regard to private citizens owning firearms for sport or self-defense, 93.6 percent of the respondents supported civilian gun-ownership rights. Ninety-six percent of the police chiefs and sheriffs believe criminals obtain firearms from illegal sources and 92.2 percent revealed they hadn’t arrested anyone for violation of the so-called “waiting period” laws. When asked if citizens concealed-weapons permits would reduce violent crime, 63.1 percent said yes.

I’ve seen other polling that indicates support for gun rights among police officers is pretty widespread. My anecdotal experience bears that out as well. I’ve yet to meet a police officer who thinks gun control is really going to affect a criminal’s ability to get a gun.

]]> By: Jadegold http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13102 Jadegold Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:46:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13102 Actually, the NRA is very much anti-police. The fact the NRA can trot out a few cops is very much akin to the GOP trotting out JC Watts and Clarence Thomas. Actually, the NRA is very much anti-police. The fact the NRA can trot out a few cops is very much akin to the GOP trotting out JC Watts and Clarence Thomas.

]]> By: thirdpower http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/10/06/is-nra-anti-cop/#comment-13099 thirdpower Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:56:42 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=1673#comment-13099 Do we really expect anything different? An "Authorized Journalist" who does no research and publishes another biased screed. Color me shocked. Do we really expect anything different? An “Authorized Journalist” who does no research and publishes another biased screed.

Color me shocked.

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