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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-13194</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sane person wants to see see some wacko injure, maim, or kill anyone, whether its with a firearm, a knife, or a Lincoln Continental.
That being said the question is who and how is someone declared incompetent or a threat to others.

Before anyone supports this bill you better look real hard at how your state makes these decisions. Up until very recently in my state, all it took to get a person committted was for a reasonably close relative to fill out an affidavit delaring you to be a threat to yourself or others or incompetent to handle your affairs and present it to a sympathetic judge. If the judge decided in favor of committing (HINT: you have just been ADJUDICATED)you were toast. No automatic right to a hearing. You could apply for one IF you could find an attorney willing to risk not getting paid, since getting committed pretty much lost you access to your assets. Now there is a mandatory hearing .... afterwards, but until and if the previous ruling is overturned you have still been adjudicated a mental case.

Think about that REAL HARD!!!

Then think about HR 2640 getting passed....and going through a messy divorce or child custody fight. If you haven&#039;t noticed there are a lot of places where divorce attorneys file a TPO with the divorce filing just as a matter of course. In most place having a TPO filed means you lose your guns or the right to buy a gun at least until the order is lifted. 
Now any reasonable, competent, ethical, non-politically driven judge isnt going to go along with this. What are the chances you are going to get one????

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sane person wants to see see some wacko injure, maim, or kill anyone, whether its with a firearm, a knife, or a Lincoln Continental.<br />
That being said the question is who and how is someone declared incompetent or a threat to others.</p>
<p>Before anyone supports this bill you better look real hard at how your state makes these decisions. Up until very recently in my state, all it took to get a person committted was for a reasonably close relative to fill out an affidavit delaring you to be a threat to yourself or others or incompetent to handle your affairs and present it to a sympathetic judge. If the judge decided in favor of committing (HINT: you have just been ADJUDICATED)you were toast. No automatic right to a hearing. You could apply for one IF you could find an attorney willing to risk not getting paid, since getting committed pretty much lost you access to your assets. Now there is a mandatory hearing &#8230;. afterwards, but until and if the previous ruling is overturned you have still been adjudicated a mental case.</p>
<p>Think about that REAL HARD!!!</p>
<p>Then think about HR 2640 getting passed&#8230;.and going through a messy divorce or child custody fight. If you haven&#8217;t noticed there are a lot of places where divorce attorneys file a TPO with the divorce filing just as a matter of course. In most place having a TPO filed means you lose your guns or the right to buy a gun at least until the order is lifted.<br />
Now any reasonable, competent, ethical, non-politically driven judge isnt going to go along with this. What are the chances you are going to get one????</p>
<p>9:11 PM</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12773</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is, the people who are bitching about the law I don&#039;t think have bothered to read it.  It doesn&#039;t say most of what people like Larry Pratt, and the guy quoted in that post are saying it says.

They keep making arguments that are problems with GCA 68, not HR2640.   HR2640 is far from ideal, but you won&#039;t get your rights back in one well swoop.  You have to take parts of back here and there as you can, just as it was taken away from us.

We&#039;re not going to get NICS repealed.  Try going into Nancy Pelosi&#039;s Congress and telling her you want to get rid of this whole background check thing and see how far you get.  This will make the current system work better for gun owners, and people currently prohibited because of mental health prohibitions.  I do believe that.  They will be able to clear their names.  They can&#039;t do that now, because of GCA 68

If that makes me stupid, well, then I&#039;m stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, the people who are bitching about the law I don&#8217;t think have bothered to read it.  It doesn&#8217;t say most of what people like Larry Pratt, and the guy quoted in that post are saying it says.</p>
<p>They keep making arguments that are problems with GCA 68, not HR2640.   HR2640 is far from ideal, but you won&#8217;t get your rights back in one well swoop.  You have to take parts of back here and there as you can, just as it was taken away from us.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not going to get NICS repealed.  Try going into Nancy Pelosi&#8217;s Congress and telling her you want to get rid of this whole background check thing and see how far you get.  This will make the current system work better for gun owners, and people currently prohibited because of mental health prohibitions.  I do believe that.  They will be able to clear their names.  They can&#8217;t do that now, because of GCA 68</p>
<p>If that makes me stupid, well, then I&#8217;m stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12771</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://libertyzone.blogspot.com/

Go read Nicki&#039;s take on it.  If you disagree with her on this issue, you aren&#039;t near as smart as you ought to be.</description>
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<p>Go read Nicki&#8217;s take on it.  If you disagree with her on this issue, you aren&#8217;t near as smart as you ought to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12741</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Pass The Ammo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ex-Military To Be Denied Gun Ownership</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12739</link>
		<dc:creator>Pass The Ammo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ex-Military To Be Denied Gun Ownership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apparently, this article and Larry Pratt&#8217;s interpretation are misleading. From Snowflakes In Hell: This bill does not do that. Gun Control Act of 68 is what gave us life time prohibition for mental [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apparently, this article and Larry Pratt&#8217;s interpretation are misleading. From Snowflakes In Hell: This bill does not do that. Gun Control Act of 68 is what gave us life time prohibition for mental [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12727</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Larry is stupid... I&#039;ll just leave it at that.</description>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12720</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Mr Pratt really that emotional about the issue that he&#039;s forcing himself down the road of stupidity, or does he truly understand what the bill says, and he&#039;s lying about it to gin up support in the gun-rights community?

Either way, this does not encourage me to support the GOA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mr Pratt really that emotional about the issue that he&#8217;s forcing himself down the road of stupidity, or does he truly understand what the bill says, and he&#8217;s lying about it to gin up support in the gun-rights community?</p>
<p>Either way, this does not encourage me to support the GOA.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Buist</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12703</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Try to get a security clearance if you were on Ritalin as a child past the age of 13. Then come back to me and tell how much he is exaggerating.&lt;/i&gt;

Good luck getting one as a homosexual too.

Pratt&#039;s one off the deep-end on this one.  There&#039;s a slim chance he&#039;ll get to say &quot;I told you so!&quot; in the future, but I&#039;m doubting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Try to get a security clearance if you were on Ritalin as a child past the age of 13. Then come back to me and tell how much he is exaggerating.</i></p>
<p>Good luck getting one as a homosexual too.</p>
<p>Pratt&#8217;s one off the deep-end on this one.  There&#8217;s a slim chance he&#8217;ll get to say &#8220;I told you so!&#8221; in the future, but I&#8217;m doubting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12701</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A security clearance has much higher standards.  For years you could be denied one if you kept company, or visited places, the government didn&#039;t like.   The FBI will call your friends and family to get a security clearance.

There&#039;s no right to have a security clearance.  It&#039;s entirely up to the feds who gets issued one, though there are rules, they will just give you the rubber glove treatment.  Sure, Congress could someday make it the same for gun owners, but they could also ban guns entirely.  But they aren&#039;t doing that with HR2640.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A security clearance has much higher standards.  For years you could be denied one if you kept company, or visited places, the government didn&#8217;t like.   The FBI will call your friends and family to get a security clearance.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no right to have a security clearance.  It&#8217;s entirely up to the feds who gets issued one, though there are rules, they will just give you the rubber glove treatment.  Sure, Congress could someday make it the same for gun owners, but they could also ban guns entirely.  But they aren&#8217;t doing that with HR2640.</p>
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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/09/27/this-is-getting-crazy/#comment-12699</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try to get a security clearance if you were on Ritalin as a child past the age of 13.  Then come back to me and tell how much he is exaggerating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try to get a security clearance if you were on Ritalin as a child past the age of 13.  Then come back to me and tell how much he is exaggerating.</p>
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