Comments on: AHSA Astroturfing NRA Convention http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/ The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State ... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2655 Sebastian Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:57:01 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2655 Yeah, I don't delete posts on purpose. If something did happen to it, I assure you it was an accident. Yeah, I don’t delete posts on purpose. If something did happen to it, I assure you it was an accident.

]]> By: Bitter http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2654 Bitter Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:21:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2654 Well it was never posted, since I also monitor the comments pretty closely, too. It just got caught in spam most likely. Good luck getting financial records. You won't. It's not likely a big enough expense that they would have to report on the Form 990. Even if it was that big, they probably wouldn't label it "Fake Protestors in St. Louis" and it wouldn't be available for another year at best. The protestor told this person of reputation that he was being paid. What more do you want that's remotely reasonable or lawful to obtain? As for the press conference, you can see video of NRANews trying to get in on the NRANews site in the 2007 Annual Meeting session. I hope that the recording of the president of AHSA saying they were having a press conference is enough evidence for you. I mean, it's not a financial record or anything... Well it was never posted, since I also monitor the comments pretty closely, too. It just got caught in spam most likely.

Good luck getting financial records. You won’t. It’s not likely a big enough expense that they would have to report on the Form 990. Even if it was that big, they probably wouldn’t label it “Fake Protestors in St. Louis” and it wouldn’t be available for another year at best.

The protestor told this person of reputation that he was being paid. What more do you want that’s remotely reasonable or lawful to obtain?

As for the press conference, you can see video of NRANews trying to get in on the NRANews site in the 2007 Annual Meeting session. I hope that the recording of the president of AHSA saying they were having a press conference is enough evidence for you. I mean, it’s not a financial record or anything…

]]> By: Nimrod45 http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2653 Nimrod45 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:48:16 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2653 Hmmm, it looked to me like it got posted, and then was removed... This person of reputation spoke to the protesters, and the protesters claimed that they had been paid by the AHSA to "protest" the NRA Convention? It would be real nice if there were some financial records on that. As for the "press conference", any idea on who all was "invited"? Hmmm, it looked to me like it got posted, and then was removed…

This person of reputation spoke to the protesters, and the protesters claimed that they had been paid by the AHSA to “protest” the NRA Convention? It would be real nice if there were some financial records on that.

As for the “press conference”, any idea on who all was “invited”?

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2614 Sebastian Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:32:54 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2614 It might have gotten nabbed by the spam filter. I talked to someone of reputation who talked to them, and the press conference definitely happened. Those aren't rumors. The only rumor was about Mayor Mike showing up that didn't end up being true. It might have gotten nabbed by the spam filter. I talked to someone of reputation who talked to them, and the press conference definitely happened. Those aren’t rumors. The only rumor was about Mayor Mike showing up that didn’t end up being true.

]]> By: Nimrod45 http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2612 Nimrod45 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:38:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2612 Um, was there something wrong with my comment "Um, do you have any proof orf this, or links to someone who does"? If you don't got proof that they are actually paying people, then this is nothing more than rumour-mongering, something that should be beneath us as pro-gun-rights activists. Um, was there something wrong with my comment “Um, do you have any proof orf this, or links to someone who does”? If you don’t got proof that they are actually paying people, then this is nothing more than rumour-mongering, something that should be beneath us as pro-gun-rights activists.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2591 Sebastian Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:25:15 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2591 Joyce is a real problem for us. BTW, Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states without any permitting process. There are still a lot of states that aren't right-to-carry. Personally, I prefer the term "shall-issue". There are only two right-to-carry states, and those are Vermont and Alaska. Joyce is a real problem for us. BTW, Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states without any permitting process. There are still a lot of states that aren’t right-to-carry. Personally, I prefer the term “shall-issue”. There are only two right-to-carry states, and those are Vermont and Alaska.

]]> By: Walt http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2588 Walt Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:19:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2588 This is copied from The Joyce Foundation grant list: Mayors Fund to Advance New York City New York, NY Amount: $175,000.00 Length: 1 year “To organize a coalition of mayors from around the country to promote national, state, and local policies, litigation, and law enforcement strategies aimed at reducing the flow of illegal guns into cities.” Here is the URL for The Joyce Foundation: http://www.joycefdn.org/ Go there, click the Grant List tab and click Gun Violence on the drop down program catagory menu. This is one of the reasons Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states remaining without RTC. This is copied from The Joyce Foundation grant list:

Mayors Fund to Advance New York City
New York, NY

Amount: $175,000.00
Length: 1 year
“To organize a coalition of mayors from around the country to promote national, state, and local policies, litigation, and law enforcement strategies aimed at reducing the flow of illegal guns into cities.”

Here is the URL for The Joyce Foundation:

http://www.joycefdn.org/

Go there, click the Grant List tab and click Gun Violence on the drop down program catagory menu.

This is one of the reasons Illinois and Wisconsin are the only two states remaining without RTC.

]]> By: Alphecca » The Usual Dishonesty From the New York Times http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2587 Alphecca » The Usual Dishonesty From the New York Times Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:41:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2587 [...] Update: Needless to say, the NY Times also hasn’t mentioned that, as Sebastion at Snowflakes in Hell points out, the AHSA is paying people to protest the NRA convention! [...] [...] Update: Needless to say, the NY Times also hasn’t mentioned that, as Sebastion at Snowflakes in Hell points out, the AHSA is paying people to protest the NRA convention! [...]

]]> By: Pro-Gun Progressive » From the NRA Convention: You Gotta Read This http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2585 Pro-Gun Progressive » From the NRA Convention: You Gotta Read This Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:52:35 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2585 [...] The other Sebastian is at the NRA convention, the lucky bastid! Sounds like he and Bitter are having a good time. Wish I could have made it. [...] [...] The other Sebastian is at the NRA convention, the lucky bastid! Sounds like he and Bitter are having a good time. Wish I could have made it. [...]

]]> By: BobG http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/13/ahsa-astroturfing-nra-convention/#comment-2583 BobG Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:05:26 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=476#comment-2583 I find it interesting that they had to <i>pay</i> people to protest. That doesn't really show much of a foundation of support, in my opinion. I find it interesting that they had to pay people to protest. That doesn’t really show much of a foundation of support, in my opinion.

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